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    Also I will ask how sure you are that you will truly enjoy maths at a university level based on your experience with as level maths? There are other subjects where you use maths to a great extent. Also yada yada oxbridge isn't the be all and end all and. I originally thought I wanted to do maths at cambridge but I honestly don't think I have the innate mathematical ability to be able to deal with step and thus the course. I mean maybe I would be capable if I worked really hard on step but yeah keep in mind that a-level maths is far far far easier than university level maths and people who do get into cambridge for maths find a-level pretty trivial and easy. I am very good at a-level maths having now finished as and a2 (with an A* as long ums boundaries being every so slightly lenient in terms of how much they correlate to %s) but I don't by any means find it easy especially initially (took about 6 months this year before I got to 90%+ on every past paper level). I also realised that the applications of maths especially within science are really where my interests lie so I'm going to go for natural sciences at cambridge instead .
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    However yeah from the sounds of it you aren't a massive science fan and if you do truly truly love maths go for it!
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    (Original post by Physics Enemy)
    I'm don't think that's correct, the threshold for interview is much higher than 40-odd, usually 60+, it's actually not far off the mean/median score of those who got offers (low 70s). I can't see how you've concluded some with 70+ got rejected over those with 40-odd.
    There's a graph showing outcomes relative to MAT scores in the same report you quoted. The mean/median for interview may be high, but there's quite a lot of 'spread'. [And a surprising number of people with MAT scores over 80 don't get offers (although they are almost certain to get interviews)].
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    (Original post by black1blade)
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    omg good luck w/ natural sciences!!! hope u get in

    also I LOVE MATHS!!!!!!! tbh every single applicant is prob better than me at maths however i love it 100x more than any of them!!!!!!!!!!! prob not tbh (even tho they picked FM and i didnt OOPS)

    tbh i just rrly rrly love the subject and im p good at it so YEAH
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    (Original post by Physics Enemy)
    It's the MAT or Admissions report for 2016, I was on a site which had the Q papers with the reports underneath. And it's true. Not 1 offer, even joint courses. Why even let those applicants go through the process.
    Fair enough, I thought you were talking about the last complete round (so applications in 2015).
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Quack quack oops...
    That's a particularly schizoid post... it seems like your id is trying to tell you something.
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    (Original post by RichE)
    That's a particularly schizoid post... it seems like your id is trying to tell you something.
    Probably something to do with this thread:
    https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=4836610
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    (Original post by DFranklin)
    There's a graph showing outcomes relative to MAT scores in the same report you quoted. The mean/median for interview may be high, but there's quite a lot of 'spread'. [And a surprising number of people with MAT scores over 80 don't get offers (although they are almost certain to get interviews)].
    You're right, I misread/skimread. You're given a score based on the MAT combined with the application, with a lower cutoff. MAT will count heavily.

    I was really surprised to see people with 80+ and 90+ (!) rejected As for those with 45-50, maybe extenuating circumstances ...
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    (Original post by Physics Enemy)
    You're right, I misread/skimread. You're given a score based on the MAT combined with the application, with a lower cutoff. MAT will count heavily.

    I was really surprised to see people with 80+ and 90+ (!) rejected As for those with 45-50, maybe extenuating circumstances ...
    Guess it shows how important the interview really is. IDK if I should start looking into how to prepare for interview now, might be a bit presumptive considering I have to get to that point first...
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    (Original post by black1blade)
    Guess it shows how important the interview really is. IDK if I should start looking into how to prepare for interview now, might be a bit presumptive considering I have to get to that point first...
    I always found it strange that interviews count quite heavily yet no oral/interview exams are ever done at uni (or before), for virtually every subject.

    Another discussion for another day, lol.
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    (Original post by Physics Enemy)
    I always found it strange that interviews count quite heavily yet no oral/interview exams are ever done at uni (or before), for virtually every subject.

    Another discussion for another day, lol.
    Well if you do get involved in science you ideally need to be a good communicator, not just in your room 24/7 doing problem sheets...
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    (Original post by black1blade)
    Well if you do get involved in science you ideally need to be a good communicator, not just in your room 24/7 doing problem sheets...
    Nearly every maths/physics student at decent unis are the latter and not the former, Oxbridge especially.

    They don't care about social/comms skills and don't have exams testing that. Interviews are in context of doing problems, not explaining.

    I'd say it's a flaw in the system, gov needs to push this so better teachers and engaging mathmos/scientists are produced, so public will engage in maths/science.
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    (Original post by RichE)
    What sources are you referring to here?
    anything by liebeck ever. Commonly read at the step kind stage is 'a concise introduction to pure mathematics'- avoid at all costs!!
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    (Original post by EnglishMuon)
    anything by liebeck ever. Commonly read at the step kind stage is 'a concise introduction to pure mathematics'- avoid at all costs!!
    I enjoyed James and Liebeck "Representations and Characters of Groups" and I recall a lot of my students finding his "concise introduction" of use - why are you so critical of it?


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    (Original post by RichE)
    I enjoyed James and Liebeck "Representations and Characters of Groups" and I recall a lot of my students finding his "concise introduction" of use - why are you so critical of it?

    nah the books alright, its just a deep potentially unjust personal grudge about liebeck and his past actions
 
 
 
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