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So someone who bashed someone's head in trying to defend themselves should be treated the same as someone who did it intentionally.

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Looking for loop holes in my statement doesn't actually address the issue. Obviously there are certain exceptions, but I assumed everyone reading my comment had common sense.

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By that logic, genocide is also a stupid concept, since it also depends on targeting particular groups, which is what distinguishes it from the broader "crimes against humanity".
Well, if I fill a room with the entire Jewish population (for example), which is around 17million ish and blew them all up (ie. genocide) how is that worse from taking 17million people of various ethnicities and blowing them all up? Are you trying to argue that because one group is of a specified race, that their lives have more meaning?
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So someone who bashed someone's head in trying to defend themselves should be treated the same as someone who did it intentionally.

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You're talking about very different circumstances. Obviously there is a difference between intentional and unintentional injury, or when somebody is acting in self defense. But whether I assault a man because he's gay or because he's a Montreal Canadiens fan, that shouldn't matter. It's essentially another layer of criminal punishment for somebody's beliefs (if the victim just happens to be a protected class).

Hate crimes are an unnecessary politicisation of existing crimes, invented to make a statement. A person's actions, not their personal prejudices, should be more important, however.
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Oh no, the poor murders getting more time in prison than they should!!
Well that is a genuine issue. We are meant to be equal under the law.
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nobody addressed my point that I don't get why hate crimes just exist if it's only a penalty for straight people in the case of orientation.... No addressed why one case is a hate crime while the other is not
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How long is significant?
An increase in sentence length is purely up to the judge who decides how much longer the sentence should be based on the severity of the aggravation.
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So someone who bashed someone's head in trying to defend themselves should be treated the same as someone who did it intentionally.

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That's called acting in self defence. Very different concept
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nobody addressed my point that I don't get why hate crimes just exist if it's only a penalty for straight people in the case of orientation.... No addressed why one case is a hate crime while the other is not
I think it would be easier to discuss if you were able to cite some example articles?

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I think it would be easier to discuss if you were able to cite some example articles?

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It wasn't an article I was referencing I was referencing a situation involving a relative that happened.
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It wasn't an article I was referencing I was referencing a situation involving a relative that happened.
That's what I'm saying; an article is something tangible to debunk, where a personal situation is much harder to discuss, as you don't know the potential reasons why it might not have been classed as a hate crime, or any of the other factors that were in play, where a publicised story would have more accessible information
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That's what I'm saying; an article is something tangible to debunk, where a personal situation is much harder to discuss, as you don't know the potential reasons why it might not have been classed as a hate crime, or any of the other factors that were in play, where a publicised story would have more accessible information

uh actually do since I'm the victim's daughter. I know a lot about the case. No one even ever mentioned it being considered a hate crime.
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uh actually do since I'm the victim's daughter. I know a lot about the case. No one even ever mentioned it being considered a hate crime.
I'm not stating you don't know about the case here*, don't get me wrong, and I'm sorry that you've been through that. What I was trying to say that is without knowing the case well as a commenter, I personally wouldn't feel informed enough to try and debunk this :dontknow:

You may well be correct that it's a wider problem, in which case it's something that should be dealt with, as it's just a significant a concern as a gay person being targetted due to their sexuality. Are you aware of any similar cases, out of interest?

*To clarify, I was using 'you' in the wider sense, not trying to dispute your personal knowledge, so I apologise if that didn't come across!
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