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Mcrenoe says Roger federer is now better than Pete Sampras who had been lauded by many tennis analysts as the greates male t grass-court player of all time who won seven Wimbledon singles titles in eight years from 1993 through 2000

Former 3 time Wimbledon champion John McEnroe says Roger Federer is not just just the greatest men's champion in the history of Wimbledon but"the best male grass-court player there is" after winning an historic eighth Wimbledon singles title. Roger Federer has now surpassed the 7 titles of Pete Sampras and William Renshaw.
Federer extended his record to 19 Grand Slam titles with a 6-3 6-1 6-4 victory over Croatia's Marin Cilic. McEnroe said: "He's the male best grass-court player there is there is now no matter of opinion , it's quite simply that. No more debates of who is greater on grass. Sampras is now officially the second best on grass, Nothing to discuss anymore really.
, yes you quible the old stats like sampras never lost a final won 7 in 8 years but it was imaterial, most of his wins have been in a tougher era against tougher players. It amazing he has taken him to 2017 to win 8 rafa novak andy held him back a bit
He further added that what he did in this championship was remarkable as he was the second only not to drop a set the first bjorn borg in 1976 41 years ago , this is one of his best grand slam performances, yes novak, andy rafa were not there but there were still dangerous guys in the draw Roger's longevit It’s quite extraordinary. He’s so special in many ways the
,'seven time Grand Slam champion told BBC. 'Roger is the greatest overall in my eyes and I think he’s proved it with 19 Grand Slam titles, eight here. It’s always worth coming out to watch him because you always know there’s going to be some unbelievable shots and tennis out there.' 'Who knows what else he’s capable of? He’s showing us a lot and I think all the other competitors, especially in tennis as well, now that you’re 31, 32, they’re going to continue this trend and who knows what else is in store? We’re all in awe and just amazed at what he has accomplished already this year. Who would have thought? But it’s like he said in his speech, if you keep dreaming, if you keep believing, if you keep working hard and all of those things come together, a lot is possible in.' 'I think he’s playing as good as was in 2007 ,' mcrenoe added. 'I think his one shot that he’s improved more than anything is his backhand. I think when you look at his second serve, coming to his backhand, the way he takes it early and not slicing it as much anymore is something that the added to his game and it’s really working well.' He also joked: 'It's crazy, I mean it’s 8 at wimbledon 19 now it’s unbelievable. They should change it from SW19 to RF19, knowing the way I do pete sampras when he hanged up his racket for good after the 2002 us open he win at 31 he thought nobody for many decades if ever is going to take away my record of not just 14 grand slams let alone 7 wimbledon's I said 17 years ago on commentary after he won the millieium championship for the seventh time I would bet if i was a betting man that no man in my life time will ever win 8 times at wimbledon . "We can't emphasise enough all the records Federer has broken, and with tough competition. "Everybody is younger than him and he finds the way to win easily, and do it consistently on every surface, apart from clay. It's just impossible to fathom. You think, where is he going to go now? Will it be 20 Grand Slams at the US, yes this championship was a luckly one and a procession in the final but the other 7 were far from a foregone conclussion particulary with Andy roddick in the draw.

why does McEnroe say federer is now the Greatest Grass Court Player of all Time? Is it simply because he won 8 Wimbledons compared to Sampras 7 Wimbledons ?

I think its clear the answer, that Federer dominated Wimbledon in a way that Sampras never did. Consider, first 7 Wimbledon finals he played all in a row from 2003-2009 winning 6 of them the worst player that Federer lost during this run was in a 5 set match to nadal in the 2008 final a match he had chances to win in the final set, was close to winningg 7 straight titles, samorass lost in his run 1993-2000 in the quarters to the unseeded richard krychaich he has 65 wins of grass up to 2008 more than sampras, he has reached more finals aat an older age and won a title at a older age, won 17 grass titles sampras won 11 One more wimbeldon title then Sampras .. Played exculding 2017 won a MUCH stronger grass field then sampras as well. I give sampras the age over Federer on hard courts (slower ones at least) While I give Pete the edge indoors, and slight edge on faster hard courts. roger rules grass though.. The best to ever step on the lawns of Wimbledon. Sampras would have struggled to win 7 wimbledon titles had he played in federer era, he should have lost the 1998 final to goran and was lucky to win in 2000 to rafter set down 5-1 down in tie break in second, sampras was lucky is was never pushed in finals like nadal rodick did to Federer in 04, 07,09
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Between 04-10, Federer reached 18 out of 19 grand slam finals. That statistic alone is probably enough to warrant GOAT status.
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Mcrenoe says Roger federer is now better than Pete Sampras who had been lauded by many tennis analysts as the greates male t grass-court player of all time who won seven Wimbledon singles titles in eight years from 1993 through 2000

Former 3 time Wimbledon champion John McEnroe says Roger Federer is not just just the greatest men's champion in the history of Wimbledon but"the best male grass-court player there is" after winning an historic eighth Wimbledon singles title. Roger Federer has now surpassed the 7 titles of Pete Sampras and William Renshaw.
Federer extended his record to 19 Grand Slam titles with a 6-3 6-1 6-4 victory over Croatia's Marin Cilic. McEnroe said: "He's the male best grass-court player there is there is now no matter of opinion , it's quite simply that. No more debates of who is greater on grass. Sampras is now officially the second best on grass, Nothing to discuss anymore really.
, yes you quible the old stats like sampras never lost a final won 7 in 8 years but it was imaterial, most of his wins have been in a tougher era against tougher players. It amazing he has taken him to 2017 to win 8 rafa novak andy held him back a bit
He further added that what he did in this championship was remarkable as he was the second only not to drop a set the first bjorn borg in 1976 41 years ago , this is one of his best grand slam performances, yes novak, andy rafa were not there but there were still dangerous guys in the draw Roger's longevit It’s quite extraordinary. He’s so special in many ways the
,'seven time Grand Slam champion told BBC. 'Roger is the greatest overall in my eyes and I think he’s proved it with 19 Grand Slam titles, eight here. It’s always worth coming out to watch him because you always know there’s going to be some unbelievable shots and tennis out there.' 'Who knows what else he’s capable of? He’s showing us a lot and I think all the other competitors, especially in tennis as well, now that you’re 31, 32, they’re going to continue this trend and who knows what else is in store? We’re all in awe and just amazed at what he has accomplished already this year. Who would have thought? But it’s like he said in his speech, if you keep dreaming, if you keep believing, if you keep working hard and all of those things come together, a lot is possible in.' 'I think he’s playing as good as was in 2007 ,' mcrenoe added. 'I think his one shot that he’s improved more than anything is his backhand. I think when you look at his second serve, coming to his backhand, the way he takes it early and not slicing it as much anymore is something that the added to his game and it’s really working well.' He also joked: 'It's crazy, I mean it’s 8 at wimbledon 19 now it’s unbelievable. They should change it from SW19 to RF19, knowing the way I do pete sampras when he hanged up his racket for good after the 2002 us open he win at 31 he thought nobody for many decades if ever is going to take away my record of not just 14 grand slams let alone 7 wimbledon's I said 17 years ago on commentary after he won the millieium championship for the seventh time I would bet if i was a betting man that no man in my life time will ever win 8 times at wimbledon . "We can't emphasise enough all the records Federer has broken, and with tough competition. "Everybody is younger than him and he finds the way to win easily, and do it consistently on every surface, apart from clay. It's just impossible to fathom. You think, where is he going to go now? Will it be 20 Grand Slams at the US, yes this championship was a luckly one and a procession in the final but the other 7 were far from a foregone conclussion particulary with Andy roddick in the draw.

why does McEnroe say federer is now the Greatest Grass Court Player of all Time? Is it simply because he won 8 Wimbledons compared to Sampras 7 Wimbledons ?

I think its clear the answer, that Federer dominated Wimbledon in a way that Sampras never did. Consider, first 7 Wimbledon finals he played all in a row from 2003-2009 winning 6 of them the worst player that Federer lost during this run was in a 5 set match to nadal in the 2008 final a match he had chances to win in the final set, was close to winningg 7 straight titles, samorass lost in his run 1993-2000 in the quarters to the unseeded richard krychaich he has 65 wins of grass up to 2008 more than sampras, he has reached more finals aat an older age and won a title at a older age, won 17 grass titles sampras won 11 One more wimbeldon title then Sampras .. Played exculding 2017 won a MUCH stronger grass field then sampras as well. I give sampras the age over Federer on hard courts (slower ones at least) While I give Pete the edge indoors, and slight edge on faster hard courts. roger rules grass though.. The best to ever step on the lawns of Wimbledon. Sampras would have struggled to win 7 wimbledon titles had he played in federer era, he should have lost the 1998 final to goran and was lucky to win in 2000 to rafter set down 5-1 down in tie break in second, sampras was lucky is was never pushed in finals like nadal rodick did to Federer in 04, 07,09
Krajicek was seeded in the 1996 men's singles tournament at Wimbledon at which he defeated Sampras.
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I don't see a better metric than grass majors won. To look more into it you could look at the quality of the competition, but I don't think success rate in finals really means anything. If you win your only final but get dumped out in the first round every other time (or fail to qualify) you'd have a better conversion rate than Federer. Time period can work both ways, long streaks as champion show utter dominance, but also having them spread out show a greater ability to stay at the top level - Federer has shown both of these things though. Majors are what everyone tries to win more than anything else, so that seems an unbiased measure.
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His technical knowledge of the game is as good as anyone's as well, probably better than anyone else'. Love this clip:

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(Original post by alfie thorne)
Mcrenoe says Roger federer is now better than Pete Sampras who had been lauded by many tennis analysts as the greates male t grass-court player of all time who won seven Wimbledon singles titles in eight years from 1993 through 2000

Former 3 time Wimbledon champion John McEnroe says Roger Federer is not just just the greatest men's champion in the history of Wimbledon but"the best male grass-court player there is" after winning an historic eighth Wimbledon singles title. Roger Federer has now surpassed the 7 titles of Pete Sampras and William Renshaw.
Federer extended his record to 19 Grand Slam titles with a 6-3 6-1 6-4 victory over Croatia's Marin Cilic. McEnroe said: "He's the male best grass-court player there is there is now no matter of opinion , it's quite simply that. No more debates of who is greater on grass. Sampras is now officially the second best on grass, Nothing to discuss anymore really.
, yes you quible the old stats like sampras never lost a final won 7 in 8 years but it was imaterial, most of his wins have been in a tougher era against tougher players. It amazing he has taken him to 2017 to win 8 rafa novak andy held him back a bit
He further added that what he did in this championship was remarkable as he was the second only not to drop a set the first bjorn borg in 1976 41 years ago , this is one of his best grand slam performances, yes novak, andy rafa were not there but there were still dangerous guys in the draw Roger's longevit It’s quite extraordinary. He’s so special in many ways the
,'seven time Grand Slam champion told BBC. 'Roger is the greatest overall in my eyes and I think he’s proved it with 19 Grand Slam titles, eight here. It’s always worth coming out to watch him because you always know there’s going to be some unbelievable shots and tennis out there.' 'Who knows what else he’s capable of? He’s showing us a lot and I think all the other competitors, especially in tennis as well, now that you’re 31, 32, they’re going to continue this trend and who knows what else is in store? We’re all in awe and just amazed at what he has accomplished already this year. Who would have thought? But it’s like he said in his speech, if you keep dreaming, if you keep believing, if you keep working hard and all of those things come together, a lot is possible in.' 'I think he’s playing as good as was in 2007 ,' mcrenoe added. 'I think his one shot that he’s improved more than anything is his backhand. I think when you look at his second serve, coming to his backhand, the way he takes it early and not slicing it as much anymore is something that the added to his game and it’s really working well.' He also joked: 'It's crazy, I mean it’s 8 at wimbledon 19 now it’s unbelievable. They should change it from SW19 to RF19, knowing the way I do pete sampras when he hanged up his racket for good after the 2002 us open he win at 31 he thought nobody for many decades if ever is going to take away my record of not just 14 grand slams let alone 7 wimbledon's I said 17 years ago on commentary after he won the millieium championship for the seventh time I would bet if i was a betting man that no man in my life time will ever win 8 times at wimbledon . "We can't emphasise enough all the records Federer has broken, and with tough competition. "Everybody is younger than him and he finds the way to win easily, and do it consistently on every surface, apart from clay. It's just impossible to fathom. You think, where is he going to go now? Will it be 20 Grand Slams at the US, yes this championship was a luckly one and a procession in the final but the other 7 were far from a foregone conclussion particulary with Andy roddick in the draw.

why does McEnroe say federer is now the Greatest Grass Court Player of all Time? Is it simply because he won 8 Wimbledons compared to Sampras 7 Wimbledons ?

I think its clear the answer, that Federer stats at Wimbledon are more impressive Sampras never did. - All time singles title record (STANDS ALONE) - Eight titles - All time consecutive singles title record (shared with Borg) - Five titles - All time title defence record (shared with Borg) - Has defended the title four times - All time record of finals reached (STANDS ALONE) - Eleven finals - All time record of consecutive finals reached (STANDS ALONE) - Seven finals - All time record of matches won (STANDS ALONE) - 91 matches won - Won the tournament in straight sets - Also won the Junior title in 1998 - And is the oldest person to win in the Open Era He also stands alone on semifinals, quarterfinals, and consecutive semifinals. There's no contest of any sort here. He owns this tournament. sampras was lucky is was never pushed in finals like nadal rodick did to Federer in 04, 07,09
Federer could have 9 possiblly even 10 Wimbledon' titles definitely lost in 08 14 in the tigest margins certainly not 2015 was outplayed That won in 08 is still a painful match to watch even 9 years on, at one point 2 points away and a break up, I was 21 at the time I remember he had so many chances in the tie break to break nadal I think the rain delays effected him It would have been fantastic had he won 7 straight Wimbledon's that have been better than Sampras who won 7 in 8 years plus he would have now at least 9 . it is such a shame he lost the 2008 one, from 2 sets down to get it back to level he played the game of his life but when the rain came before the decider he had nadal on the ropes should have lost 4 set tie break at 4-1 down but broke back, I think it was starting to get to nadal and then on return from rain delat was not able to capitalise against break point chances But it would not have been surprising if Federer had got 7 in a row. He was supremely dominant on grass between 2003 and 2009 ,So 7 in a row for time span was extremely possible. I think had he won 7 in a row from 2003-2009 he could have got to ten W. titles is academic to think had Federer won 08 Wimbledon then he would have had 7 straight titles as no one really stood in his way from 2003-2009 apart from Roddick and Nadal
. He has the same 1 more Wimbledon title + 3 more finals, greater longevity/consistency and 17 overall titles compared to 10 for Pete . That's actually quite incredible

If Sampras is the grass GOAT, then how come he could not make the finals after his last win. Having a 100% strike rate is meaningless when you can't deliver your best anymore. RF's consistency and longevity regardless of changing era's made him the grass GOAT since 2014


I beg to differ Federer needed an eight Wimbledon title to be the best grass court player in the open era.

although Sampras more thoroughly dominated Wimbledon (7 titles in 8 years), but was facing less grass specialists and fewer top players . His peak level on the surface was arguably greater than Fed's but has nor had the longveity .

. The "never lost a final" argument was created by Sampras fan as their last resort. An argument with the same weight is that.... at least Federer never got straight setted right in the middle of his prime by a 1 Slam wonder

Federer reached 2 of those finals when he was 33-34 years old and lost them to another all time great at his peak. What was Sampras doing at 33-34 again? Cause we know that at 30 he lost to teenage Fed and at 31 lost to a player who did absolutely nothing in his career except beating Sampras at Wimbledon LMAO. Anyway, I glad he got his 8th Wimbledon

8th title has certainly set him a part of Sampras at SW19 which have ended the discussion. As a fan of both Sampras and Federer, I have a hard time picking the best grass court player between the 2 because it played different in Sampras's time vs Federer, Federer has more finals than Sampras and probably the more epic matches with Rafa in 07-08, but Sampras was so dominant in his time. It's a tough call which is why Roger winning the 8th has probably closed the discussion

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Anyway I'd say prime for prime they're about equal as grass court players. Sampras had a slightly better serve and more solid volleys (I think people get tricked into thinking Federer's are better than they because of how 'less-infrequently' he does come to the net than other players in this day and age), both I'd say had equally accomplished overheads and were equally quick around the court, and Federer had stronger groundstrokes off each side (both players possessing markedly stronger forehands than backhands).
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Roger Federer winning Wimbledon for the eigth time, made him most accomplished male player at Wimbledon in the Open Era. But to say he is grass GOAT is a stretch. . Let us just say that Roger Federer and Pete Sampras are the two best grass court players of the open era. They were both outstanding on the surface.

Of course Federer has a superior grass record to Sampras. After 8 titles all at Wimbledon - what are the next data points? 3 runner-ups for Federer is superior to Sampras Also outside of Wimbledon - Federer has won 9 grass titles and Sampras has won 3. It really is an open and shut case
What Pete has over Fed: •A perfect 7-0 record in the finals •A supposedly 7 out of 8 years domination • What Fed has over Pete: •3 extra finals, no matter how you look, Pete was never close to a 8th final, leave alone 8th title. •Two finals loss in 5th set and Pete does not have even a 5th set loss in his next three best results •As until AO 17, Pete had the benefit of having slam wins over longer duration, Fed has both the slam wins spread and Wimbledon wins spread over Pete •Fed has 7 straight finals at Wimbledon, an open era record, and Pete is way off this number in spite of more supposed domination •Fed faced No.2 seeded in finals for 5 straight years 2004-08, and Pete's No.2 player were biggest of the chokers. So Pete's era No.2 seeded was barely reflective. •Fed faced two two-digit slam winners in 5 finals, Pete faced 0 of them •Pete might have face grass specialists, but Fed faced more decorated champions •Fed has more better remembered finals than Pete, the trio of 5-sets during 2007-09 is too much competition to anything thats happened in Pete's run
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