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I'll never reach his standard :,-(

(Hey mods, you know the score - delete rather than deanon if you must. Thank you).

I guess I'm anon because I have a gut feeling that I am going to be flamed.

My problem is about my boyfriend's career in comparison with mine. Please understand that rather than be about jealousy, this is about fear.

An email sent to my boyfriend (age 38, on 38k salary, who I live with) last night will explain this situation:


I feel scared. I wish you were earning much less than what you are. I don’t think I can keep up, much less secure you. Some woman ‘on your financial level’ will come along and you will have more in common with her than with me. You will look at me like a ‘sponge’, a ‘financial drain’. Why would you possibly want to stay with me when a successful, willing, independent and equal woman comes along?

I feel defeatist. Like I know exactly what is going to happen, and I am powerless to stop it, no matter how hard I work. I feel like lying down and giving up.

This panic has encompassed other areas of my life also, such as the degree and upcoming examinations. Powerless.

I really wish you were more on my level. I sincerely doubt that I will ever achieve your financial standard, even when I do reach your age. Maybe I’m being too defeatist? Maybe I’m just being realistic.

Some days I feel so vulnerable and immature I just want to throw the towel in on everything and crawl back to mum. Perhaps linking her up to the internet so I can contact her regularly would help pacify this feeling (as talking to her regularly would remind me that it is not a viable option, because she is senile).

Equality is a difficult standard to achieve. The more I learn, the higher my capacity for knowledge and the broader my experience makes me realise this fact of my life stronger each day. I don’t think I will ever achieve true equality with you. Thus, I don’t think I ever will be “safe” or “secure”. The only way I could possibly feel such sentiments would be if I was with someone ‘on my level’ or lower. Yeah sure, we will live in relative poverty, have to save up to go places, worry about Christmas gifts. But such a partner would be less likely to discard me when someone more appropriate comes along (look at dad for example. My mother was waaaaay bellow him financially. And look what happened. I don’t want to be as foolish as her. As trusting. As blind and naïve as she was).

I can’t possibly see what I have to offer you. That feeling of being ‘redundant”, “useless”, “worthless”, “pointless” is not something I find easy to deal with.

I am not looking forward to the career lined up ahead of me: the cold culture of back-stabbing, cruel secrecy, hostile competitiveness and fake bravado. And yet, that is my destiny. I have no choice. For, even when I following this path I *still* will not reach your standard. Therefore settling for anything less is definitely not an option available to me under these circumstances.

I have a gut instinct you are thinking right now: “oh boo hoo. She’s feeling sorry for herself. She does this a lot”.

Well, if being scared out of my mind, constantly worried, depressed and in prolonged daily panic equates to feeling sorry for myself then yes I am. And I do not enjoy this daily existence at all. I long for a simpler life. Like the one I had at [last university - a red brick] when I was in a more effective learning environment, and didn’t have to worry about loosing my boyfriend because he was working in a bank with next to no career prospects. I took it for granted at the time, but in hindsight, I was much more secure back then than I am now.

It is bizarre how, from the outside, my situation could be interpreted as “improving”, but in reality, from the inside, gaged from my current feelings, I feel more directionless and more fearful than I have for a long time. The last occasion when I felt this scared and lost, was when mum tried to commit suicide and she got sent to hospital for a few months resulting in me being shipped to my aunts for the duration. I had no idea where my life was going back then. I felt alone and directionless back then. I’m feeling similar sentiments now.

The knowledge that when I finally complete my training I still will not be able to feel secure. I will not be able to do an honest days work and feel proud of that. Becaus I will still be working at a lower level financially and status-wise, no matter how many hours and effort and sweat I put into it. So I'll never really be able to feel proud of my achievements. even though to other people they may seem superb. I will never really feel like I have achieved anything in comparison. I will always be 'looking up'. To know that at this stage is very depressing.

I cant win the battle for equality with you, and I know that at this stage. You'll never feel proud of me because compared to your achievements, there is little to be proud of. However compared to someone else who is on the same level, we would have mutual respect and pride. eachothers careers will seem equally valuable. but in our relationship, yours takes value over mine. its unequal. to suggest otherwise would be to deny fact.

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Reply 1

Yet despite all that, he wants you and chooses to live with you.

He loves you, don't let that get you down.

Cherish the man you have.

Reply 2

What response do you want? You seem to want equality, and think your boyfriend's better than you? And I'm assuming you don't think you could ever get up to his level? Dump him?

Reply 3

im sure it doesnt bother him as much as you think it does. if he didnt like you or think you were up to his standard he wouldnt bother

Reply 4

Why are you so worried? :s-smilie: I assume you're a lot younger than him (since you post on here...) so no one would expect you to be earning as much as him. He doesn't even earn that much anyway.

And btw, I very much doubt he would leave you for earning less than him. Most men don't want a woman who earns more than them, because they see it as a threat to their ego and their masculinity, or something. :rolleyes: And... in the majority of couples the man earns more than the woman. You don't see all of them breaking up, do you?

Reply 5

Poica
What response do you want? You seem to want equality, and think your boyfriend's better than you? And I'm assuming you don't think you could ever get up to his level? Dump him?


It's not as easy as that. We live together, we've been doing so for 3 years. But I feel very scared. Becuase of what I observed between my parents, I have such an intense fear that it is only a matter of time before he finds someone 'on his level'. How can he possibly respect my hard work? (and it is very hard work indeed. To the point where it frequently interveres with my health).

Reply 6

no hero in her sky
Why are you so worried? :s-smilie: I assume you're a lot younger than him (since you post on here...) so no one would expect you to be earning as much as him. He doesn't even earn that much anyway.


Well I'm 13 years younger. However when I'm 38 I very much doubt I will be earning what he is now. I have been told by careers advisors that in my legal carrer (I tried to choose a high paying career) I will begin on just 20k, and that is after going to one of the 'top' universities.

Reply 7

I'm kind of coming to this from the opposite perspective. I'm expecting to earn quite a lot more than my boyfriend once our careers both get going.

One thing I did pick up from your email was that it was a little melodramatic. For example, declaring you will end up living in poverty... Maybe you need to calm down and look at the bigger picture a little.

My boyfriend may end up being 'below me' on a financial level, but that doesn't mean we aren't 'equal'. He's the person I want to be with and I think its just silly to see him as inferior to me.

Reply 8

for one this is a very shallow thread. second for 38 years old his salary is not that much, and thirdly what does it matter?! surely if he wants to be with you he'd be happy supporting you no matter what. i know i would never force my partner (if i had one) to work.

Reply 9

Anonymous
Well I'm 13 years younger. However when I'm 38 I very much doubt I will be earning what he is now. I have been told by careers advisors that in my legal carrer (I tried to choose a high paying career) I will begin on just 20k, and that is after going to one of the 'top' universities.


You're doing law? And you think you're inferior to his 38k? What area do you want to work in? In many areas you will quickly match that.

Reply 10

i think you're getting caught up in the situation you saw with your parents (which you havn't explained), which has no relevance to the relationship you have with your boyfriend. whatever happened with your parents you need to forget, and concentrate on yours and your boyfriends equal relationship (yeh equal effort on both sides, money doesn't make relationships unequal)

Reply 11

Dac.
for one this is a very shallow thread. second for 38 years old his salary is not that much, and thirdly what does it matter?! surely if he wants to be with you he'd be happy supporting you no matter what. i know i would never force my partner (if i had one) to work.


But would he respect me if I was working at a lower level than him? :frown: Respect and equality is important in a relationship yes?

Reply 12

How many couples have exactly the same income?

Reply 13

Anonymous
But would he respect me if I was working at a lower level than him? :frown: Respect and equality is important in a relationship yes?


you mention respect and equality etc....but aren't you effectively disrespecting those who work at your own respective 'level', or whatever you choose to call it...

Reply 14

Anonymous
But would he respect me if I was working at a lower level than him? :frown: Respect and equality is important in a relationship yes?


Of course he will. It would be horrifically shallow if he didn't. He's been with you three years, in knowledge of this. He doesn't mind.

Reply 15

13 years ago he was probably only earning 20k?

Everyone has there differences - i'm appalling at football but highly talented at mathematics (geeky stuff).

You may not be great financially but good in other areas which is why he likes you.

Besides differences attract, I'd hate to go out with my 'mirror image'

Reply 16

pinkpinkuk
You're doing law? And you think you're inferior to his 38k? What area do you want to work in? In many areas you will quickly match that.


Yes I'm doing law. And working around the clock, stressed out of my head. I'm on medication for stress, anxiety and depression. I won awards and an internship at a top london law firm. But when I spoke to a careers advisor they told me starting wage at a law firm is 20K (outside london, which is where I want to end up) :frown: I'll be 27 when I fully qualify (this is my second degree). I'll never reach my boyfriends standard. Nonwithstanding the choice of profession.

If I sound 'melodramatic' I apologise. This is how I articulate myself. I try to be as expressive as possible so I can convey my true feelings.

Reply 17

Anonymous
But would he respect me if I was working at a lower level than him? :frown: Respect and equality is important in a relationship yes?

Repsect yes. Equality, not so much, especially for the man. A man likes to feel in control; if his girlfriend earns as much or more than him then he feels emasculated. If she earns less and he has to "take care of her" then he likes that a lot, because it lets him play the hero.
And if he thinks you're working at a lower level than him when you're a lawyer, then he's just an arrogant stupid-face.

Reply 18

money is important in the sense you can have financial security/freedom but money should never come between a relationship.

I would stress not thinking about it since it wont matter to him

Reply 19

museobsessed
i think you're getting caught up in the situation you saw with your parents (which you havn't explained), which has no relevance to the relationship you have with your boyfriend. whatever happened with your parents you need to forget, and concentrate on yours and your boyfriends equal relationship (yeh equal effort on both sides, money doesn't make relationships unequal)


mum was a housewife who looked after us kids. Dad was a sucessful businessman working for a top corporation. When I was 12, he cheated with a work collegue and left. As a result, mum tried to commit suicide on two seperate occasions.