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B1236 - No Taxation Without Representation Bill 2017 Watch

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I don't imagine driving license ownership is a particularly common FOI

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    I agree there. With some amendments to this bill, I could support.
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    (Original post by TitanCream)
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    I agree there. With some amendments to this bill, I could support.
    A point not just to you but to all criticising section 2: read the information provided more carefully.

    Section 2 was included solely for the first reading too see how easily "no taxation without representation" would be rejected with even just a half hearted attempt to make it so manifested in a bill. It has had led to a second experiment showing just how few have actually read every word; I explicitly said section 2 isn't serious, implictly that it will be removed for division, as such anybody who read all the notes and costing would know to ignore it.

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    And what evidence is there that one is under 18?
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    And what evidence is there that one is under 18?
    Same evidence you're over [insert age limit here] when you provide photo I'd to buy ****, alcohol etc

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    Aye , A bill that allows people to keep more of their money and to generally reduce taxation.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Same evidence you're over [insert age limit here] when you provide photo I'd to buy ****, alcohol etc

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    So what? A student card?
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Aye , A bill that allows people to keep more of their money and to generally reduce taxation.
    It doesn't really do that though, it just means the 5 16 and 17 year old paying NI won't pay NI

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    So what? A student card?
    If you want the list read the bill...

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    This will lead to people cheating the system to avoid paying sales tax. Just abolish the voting age and institute an exam
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    With the right amendments I'll back this
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    It doesn't really do that though, it just means the 5 16 and 17 year old paying NI won't pay NI



    If you want the list read the bill...

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    I did, my point stands.

    (a) a valid passport;
    (b) a valid driving licence;
    (c) any valid ID card bearing the PASS hologram;
    (d) HM Armed Forced identity card;
    (e) a valid UK firearms licence.

    Passport? Okay, but a real hassle to carry around with you, probably a security risk as well

    Driving licence? Only available when you turn 17

    ID bearing PASS hologram? Very few exist

    HM Armed Forced card? Restricted only to those in the AF and surely again they must be at least 16, so max usage under this bill is one year.

    Point stated again, firearms licence, how many sixteen year olds have one of these?

    Wouldn't a better idea have been to simply accept school student cards as ID, if photo is required.
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    I can't support this, simply because by abolishing VAT and the like you are allowing people to cheat the system.

    If it was simply removing 16 and 17-year-olds from income tax and National Insurance, then I'd be more than happy to support it; in its current form its a no from me.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    I did, my point stands.

    (a) a valid passport;
    (b) a valid driving licence;
    (c) any valid ID card bearing the PASS hologram;
    (d) HM Armed Forced identity card;
    (e) a valid UK firearms licence.

    Passport? Okay, but a real hassle to carry around with you, probably a security risk as well

    Driving licence? Only available when you turn 17

    ID bearing PASS hologram? Very few exist

    HM Armed Forced card? Restricted only to those in the AF and surely again they must be at least 16, so max usage under this bill is one year.

    Point stated again, firearms licence, how many sixteen year olds have one of these?

    Wouldn't a better idea have been to simply accept school student cards as ID, if photo is required.
    If I recall well, school children under 18 would not be given cards. They are only issued in colleges.
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    (Original post by Emily Porter)
    I can't support this, simply because by abolishing VAT and the like you are allowing people to cheat the system.

    If it was simply removing 16 and 17-year-olds from income tax and National Insurance, then I'd be more than happy to support it; in its current form its a no from me.
    And yet another person who has at best only half read the bill

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    (Original post by TitanCream)
    If I recall well, school children under 18 would not be given cards. They are only issued in colleges.
    I had one for sixth form, but no dob on it, not even sure if my uni one had it

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    Will expats who cannot vote be able to not pay those taxes as well?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    It doesn't really do that though, it just means the 5 16 and 17 year old paying NI won't pay NI
    Have you ever heard the phrase "when you've made the sale, stop selling"?

    I'm not really worried because this will never pass.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Have you ever heard the phrase "when you've made the sale, stop selling"?

    I'm not really worried because this will never pass.
    Which would quite clearly show those supporting a reduction in voting age believe it is a good thing in and of itself and their sole sound(ish) argument of taxation is merely a meaningless justification so they can say they have a justification.

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    Can't wait for everyone to get their kids to buy all their stuff for them...
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Which would quite clearly show those supporting a reduction in voting age believe it is a good thing in and of itself and their sole sound(ish) argument of taxation is merely a meaningless justification so they can say they have a justification.

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    It is fundamentally a good that people be able to vote. Therefore, the higher of the proposed voting ages must be justified.
 
 
 
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