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    (Original post by Banneduser)
    I am a management consultant, professional investor, father of two young children a and resident of Surrey who is interested in philosophy, ideas and challenging orthodoxies.

    My culture is represented by the pioneering spirit and consciousness that built the west, our spirit and essence and questioning the left wing ideas and ideals of always seeking the other rather than the self that is present in the west today.



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    And you think UKIP shares that culture?
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    (Original post by User10001)
    Well it is when Marxist dogma / ultra liberalism has become the normal newspeak of things like the BBC.
    Hate to point out the obvious, but the fact that we're still living in capitalism pretty much by definition precludes the possibility of Marxism being in any way dominant.
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    (Original post by User10001)
    We might have a Conservative government but liberals and the left have been winning the culture wars. Look at entertainment and media and you can see who has been winning. There is a new conservative counterculture now.
    A few things here:

    i) Firstly, the idea of "culture wars" is something of a conservative invention. Also, it's a framing that more or less makes it essentially impossible for the conservative side to ever 'win' a culture war. Because the moment it becomes a "war", you have reached the point whether there are two equal sides, or thereabouts, at which point the liberals/reformers/whatever you want to call them have already won the argument that their way is just as valid as the conservative way. Conservatives can only 'win', by preventing the issue from getting far enough to become a "culture war" in the first place.

    Take gay marriage in the US as an illustrative example. Before it was legalised in any state, and even after the first one or two states, it could be seen as a passing fad, or a particular quirk unique to one or two states. It hadn't really reached "war" point yet. Once it got beyond that, however, conservatives started to really get bothered about it, but by then it was too late - the precedent that gay marriage was just as valid as straight marriage had essentially been set by then.

    ii) Conservatism, in the classical sense of Edmund Burke or even William Buckley, is characterised by heavy caution and scepticism towards change, particularly radical change. It is as pro-establishment and pro-status quo an ideology as it is possible to have. In this sense, "conservative counterculture" is inherently an oxymoron.

    iii) But let's forget that for a moment, as of course "conservatism" in the US and to a lesser extent the UK is no longer the classical conservatism outlined above, but a more concrete ideology/movement organised around more specific goals, rather than simple preservation and conservation of what is.

    Let's also, for the sake of argument, accept the claims of that ideology that liberals/progressives/lefties/whoever have been completely victorious in all cultural issues for the past few decades, to the point where their initial counterculture is now the dominant culture.

    But even if this is the case, it doesn't suddenly make the old, overthrown culture now becomes "counterculture", just as the French Revolution did not make absolute monarchy and feudalism "revolutionary". Rather, they became reactionary.Which, for the most part, is what American "conservatives" can be aptly described as.
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    (Original post by User10001)
    Jonny Rotten, the voice of the anti-establishment punk generation agreed that Conservatism is the new counterculture.
    Whatever is culture or counterculture, we won't have a good culture if we continue to have mainstream journalists like Piers Morgan.
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    (Original post by User10001)
    Liberals (who aren't even real liberals - classical liberals are actually liberals and so called liberals are cultural Marxists)
    This may be American usage, but in this country Liberal simply means Liberal.
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    (Original post by Castro Saint)
    You are living in a country governed by "The Conservative Party"

    + the BBC is not as left leaning as you make it out to be either. At all.
    I think that the OP means the alt-right and Trump and in that sense he is right since the alt-right is experiencing significant growth in the US and Europe (it's quite alarming that moderates seem to celebrate the establishment barely getting over the line as some kind of overall victory, it's incredibly complacent).

    As a fairly moderate conservative on most counts i must admit that even i have sympathy for the alt-right and many of their positions.
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    (Original post by Quantex)
    No it is not.

    However there are some on the modern right who have borrowed heavily from SJWs. They see themselves as special snowflakes (broflakes?). They love playing the victim. They like their identity politics. They are easily offended. Etc. You see it all the time when they prattle on about feminists/cultural Marxists/whatever victimising them because they are white males. It is even more comical when they start blaming others for their own lack of sexual success.

    Then there is their love of conspiracy theories and selective cherry picking to fit the world they've constructed while sitting in their mother's basements.

    Really they just need to grow a pair of balls and start taking vitamin D supplements.
    Ahh, the regressive left.
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    "Conservativism is the new counterculture"

    Do you class Rees-Mogg appreciation cults as a counterculture?
 
 
 
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