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    This topic may be hard to follow but i will give it a go. I know a lot of people who voted for Labour and still do in all age demographics- all be it the people i know mainly voted UKIP in this years general election.

    I find amongst the older voters mainly baby boomers-My dads generation and people who started their working life around 1975ish back in the day tended to vote for the Labour party due to its connections to the unions- which has become somewhat watered down, but very rarely vote for tory -this has an aspect of localism, my area has never elected a conservative candidate to Parliament. Let's get back on track people amongst my dads age demographic seem to be left wing patriots-or even nationalists, in other words believe a lot of the UKIP/BNP narrative on social aspects such as Immigration, the death penalty.etc. People who worked in the steel works and mining industry are generally working class and due to having around 30% inflation throughout parts of the 1970's they did not have all that much financial clout- yes they was paid more than office staff but still not on a great deal.

    The polar opposite at the time was middle class voters who voted for a left wing party, mainly Labour but also Lib Dem at current and the alliance back in the day was the social justice warriors of there day, very pro immigrant , very pro open markets- basically the lib dems of today. The middle class seemed to be obsessed with social justice - bit like the modern day left.

    The point being do Nationalist left wingers still exist it seems as if you are socially conservative but like the economic platform of socialism and vote for a left wing party more often then not, for your social views you are denounced as Far right or Literally Hitler. It annoys me that if you are proud of our nation and history that you are automatically right wing because of the slave trade and the imperialism of Britain. I am no means a left winger economically i fall around center right but a lot of the oldies fall on the left economically and on the right socially.
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    Dunno. I am proud to be British, but understand that the time for Nationalism has long gone. You can not survive in this world without reaching out to the rest of it.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Dunno. I am proud to be British, but understand that the time for Nationalism has long gone. You can not survive in this world without reaching out to the rest of it.
    What i mean is a lot of left wingers now see Venezuela as the model to go by, communism and mass chaos. Nationalism can be rebranded and was by Nigel Farage The only out and out nationalist politician there is worldwide is Donald Trump and the liberal media time and time again have gone down the character assassination route.
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    (Original post by Getinthegutter)
    What i mean is a lot of left wingers now see Venezuela as the model to go by, communism and mass chaos. Nationalism can be rebranded and was by Nigel Farage The only out and out nationalist politician there is worldwide is Donald Trump and the liberal media time and time again have gone down the character assassination route.
    Left wingers want a Venezuelan style government? Really? Gosh. News to me.

    As for Thrump. Yes he is a nationalist. But the media are assassinating him for being a misogynistic, for being self centred, for thinking he can take on the world single handedly etc etc.
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    (Original post by Getinthegutter)
    This topic may be hard to follow but i will give it a go. I know a lot of people who voted for Labour and still do in all age demographics- all be it the people i know mainly voted UKIP in this years general election.

    I find amongst the older voters mainly baby boomers-My dads generation and people who started their working life around 1975ish back in the day tended to vote for the Labour party due to its connections to the unions- which has become somewhat watered down, but very rarely vote for tory -this has an aspect of localism, my area has never elected a conservative candidate to Parliament. Let's get back on track people amongst my dads age demographic seem to be left wing patriots-or even nationalists, in other words believe a lot of the UKIP/BNP narrative on social aspects such as Immigration, the death penalty.etc. People who worked in the steel works and mining industry are generally working class and due to having around 30% inflation throughout parts of the 1970's they did not have all that much financial clout- yes they was paid more than office staff but still not on a great deal.

    The polar opposite at the time was middle class voters who voted for a left wing party, mainly Labour but also Lib Dem at current and the alliance back in the day was the social justice warriors of there day, very pro immigrant , very pro open markets- basically the lib dems of today. The middle class seemed to be obsessed with social justice - bit like the modern day left.

    The point being do Nationalist left wingers still exist it seems as if you are socially conservative but like the economic platform of socialism and vote for a left wing party more often then not, for your social views you are denounced as Far right or Literally Hitler. It annoys me that if you are proud of our nation and history that you are automatically right wing because of the slave trade and the imperialism of Britain. I am no means a left winger economically i fall around center right but a lot of the oldies fall on the left economically and on the right socially.
    I don't see how being socally conservative is especially patriotic. What's nationalistic about the death penalty? Sounds like branding and proaganda to me.

    Also your price about financial clout is very muddled given you accept they pulled more than average wedge.
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    I don't see how being socally conservative is especially patriotic. What's nationalistic about the death penalty? Sounds like branding and proaganda to me.

    Also your price about financial clout is very muddled given you accept they pulled more than average wedge.
    Yes but what I am trying to say is the tories killed our area. Nationalism I see is pride in the nation you live in and it's history and generally being anti immigration.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Left wingers want a Venezuelan style government? Really? Gosh. News to me.

    As for Thrump. Yes he is a nationalist. But the media are assassinating him for being a misogynistic, for being self centred, for thinking he can take on the world single handedly etc etc.
    No they aren't. So far, I haven't really seen anything that can be remotely called character assassination. The man is a non-stop embarrassment. I follow his twitter account. I don't have to read the media on him, he's making a fool of himself very effectively.
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    Most people these days have a fix mould of reality that can't deal with anything outside of that retarded mould for example:

    - left wing policies of the Nazis

    - soviet killings exceeding the Nazi killings

    - liberal political violence

    - bad things that so called protected groups might do like Muslims doing honour killings or acid attacks, or immigrant sexual assaults across Europe.

    - the Conservatives following Marx's recommendations

    - globalist organisations like Bilderberg


    Basically they are all brainwashed into accepting a certain construct of reality.






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    No they aren't. So far, I haven't really seen anything that can be remotely called character assassination. The man is a non-stop embarrassment. I follow his twitter account. I don't have to read the media on him, he's making a fool of himself very effectively.
    The media hate him because he exposed CNN's fake news agenda, more people watch the cartoon channel then CNN in America. Then you have the BBC who pushes out a social Democratic agenda and produce fake news in the process.
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    (Original post by Getinthegutter)
    The media hate him because he exposed CNN's fake news agenda, more people watch the cartoon channel then CNN in America. Then you have the BBC who pushes out a social Democratic agenda and produce fake news in the process.
    What's CNN's fake news agenda? I know I will regret asking this...
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    (Original post by Getinthegutter)
    What i mean is a lot of left wingers now see Venezuela as the model to go by, communism and mass chaos. Nationalism can be rebranded and was by Nigel Farage The only out and out nationalist politician there is worldwide is Donald Trump and the liberal media time and time again have gone down the character assassination route.
    Never heard that before. Care to show us some proof?
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    (Original post by Getinthegutter)
    Yes but what I am trying to say is the tories killed our area. Nationalism I see is pride in the nation you live in and it's history and generally being anti immigration.
    Not sure what that's got to do with anything though. As you said your area never voted Tory, even before they 'killed it'. I'd point out you're using space age tech a generation after your area was killed.

    The USA was built on immigration, that's it's history. Are you saying Americans cannot be patriotic?
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    (Original post by FakeNewsEditor)
    What's CNN's fake news agenda? I know I will regret asking this...
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    (Original post by Getinthegutter)
    Then you have the BBC who pushes out a social Democratic agenda and produce fake news in the process.
    Care to provide some examples of this?
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Care to provide some examples of this?
    Here is an example, the BBC is basically saying what you don't want refugees? Are oh sure you're ok? Have you maybe taken some substances? Maybe you have some false information? What in hell, don't want refugees, - help control - is my ear piece working properly. Oh he means it [tears]





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    Here is an example, the BBC is basically saying what you don't want refugees? Are oh sure you're ok? Have you maybe taken some substances? Maybe you have some false information? What in hell, don't want refugees, - help control - is my ear piece working properly. Oh he means it [tears]





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    Except none of that is from the BBC. The pictures even show Sky News. At best that is a video cobbled together to make a point. Even if it is BBC, one presenter does not infer the the corporation has a political stance.

    Next time you want to reference the BBC why not reference the BBC iPlayer?
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    I consider myself to be patriotic, and I'm quite left wing!
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Care to provide some examples of this?
    Okay, remember when a woman was stabbed by 3 Muslims in London the BBC selectively edited to fit there pro immigration, pro islam anti west agenda. Below is the only footage I can find of the BBC interview with Karrien Stevens, at 17 seconds in you can clearly see that the video was cut, why was this? The answer is because the attackers yelled "Allah and something about the Qu'ran" That something was most likely to be Allah Akhbar



    Below is a link to the Telegraph, which is also a news outlet but at least they provide the public with a proper service and actually tell people that the attackers shouted "Allah" Why is this significant- It proves that the BBC would be willing to lie to us to maintain peace within communities despite westerners being cut up by the scum of the earth- if they are willing to conceal something low key as this- what do else do they conceal from us in terms of big breaking news, it seems as if our media only wants to tell the side of the story they want to and not the truthful story- I can't even remember ITV covering this story.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...shouted-allah/

    If this was a muslim attacked by a right wing terrorist and they shouted Britain First, the BBC will be all over it to collectively demonise white people- it is double standards, i have no idea why we need the licence fee i would remove it and tell the BBC to find there own advert revenue, Why should i fund a tv channel which willingly lies to us- this is not accurate it is selective reporting thus not truthful and fake news.
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    The BBC is not too far away from the Guardian. With things like the Rotherham grooming incident / authorities turning a blind eye, or migrant sexual assaults, the BBC usually mentions the event but stays clear of whose done it.


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    (Original post by Getinthegutter)
    Okay, remember when a woman was stabbed by 3 Muslims in London the BBC selectively edited to fit there pro immigration, pro islam anti west agenda. Below is the only footage I can find of the BBC interview with Karrien Stevens, at 17 seconds in you can clearly see that the video was cut, why was this? The answer is because the attackers yelled "Allah and something about the Qu'ran" That something was most likely to be Allah Akhbar



    Below is a link to the Telegraph, which is also a news outlet but at least they provide the public with a proper service and actually tell people that the attackers shouted "Allah" Why is this significant- It proves that the BBC would be willing to lie to us to maintain peace within communities despite westerners being cut up by the scum of the earth- if they are willing to conceal something low key as this- what do else do they conceal from us in terms of big breaking news, it seems as if our media only wants to tell the side of the story they want to and not the truthful story- I can't even remember ITV covering this story.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...shouted-allah/

    If this was a muslim attacked by a right wing terrorist and they shouted Britain First, the BBC will be all over it to collectively demonise white people- it is double standards, i have no idea why we need the licence fee i would remove it and tell the BBC to find there own advert revenue, Why should i fund a tv channel which willingly lies to us- this is not accurate it is selective reporting thus not truthful and fake news.
    Once there was a far-right terrorist, the one in Norway. The liberals and the BBC were gleefully saying "we told you so", see what happens when people are far-right, but the same people are very very particular about not mentioning Muslim terrorism.


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