LBC debate: Is the education system brainwashing children with left wing ideas

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I listened to this debate on LBC about whether the education system is brainwashing children with left wing ideas and I was surprised to hear that some people were surprised to hear this suggestion.

I was brought up in the 70s and early 80s in Kensington, London and we used to consider that the kids from state schools were riff raff. When we spoke to them they would often say things like "you can't say that as it's fascist." We had no idea about the meeting of all this and years later it makes sense.

The point here. Someone is responsible for ideologically indoctrinating these young children and when you put it into perspective, the number of hardcore Labour / Trade Union supporting teachers, enviro champion, Guardian reading, tree hugging, can't criticise minorities Or protected groups but constantly attack traditional groups and Traditional Britain, and this kind of ravenous approach against anything nationalistic (=Nazi apparently) - unless of course it's about Palestinian, Tibetan, or various African or South American nation or indigenous issues. You kind of see the ideological indoctrination that is taking place.




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Personally I would disagree with the notion that either state or public schools are indoctrinating their pupils with left wing views. For starters when I was in a state school, a teacher couldn't directly reveal their political views. Of course there existed beliefs like the support of trade unions , but why wouldn't they support an organisation with their interests and rights at heart? With respect to issues such as the environment and climate change, I agree that there is a growing consensus of it being a big issue , but this is because science supports the claim, something on which schools are based. Where I would agree with you is that there should be less emphasis on ideology; the fear of ideas and policy being deemed as right wing or nationalistic as you say. Instead it should be based on what works. But I still wouldn't say that people finger pointing and being politically correct is down to the education system, I would say it is rather down to a new, progressive consensus among the youth of social and political issues.
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(Original post by Banneduser)
I listened to this debate on LBC about whether the education system is brainwashing children with left wing ideas and I was surprised to hear that some people were surprised to hear this suggestion.

I was brought up in the 70s and early 80s in Kensington, London and we used to consider that the kids from state schools were riff raff. When we spoke to them they would often say things like "you can't say that as it's fascist." We had no idea about the meeting of all this and years later it makes sense.

The point here. Someone is responsible for ideologically indoctrinating these young children and when you put it into perspective, the number of hardcore Labour / Trade Union supporting teachers, enviro champion, Guardian reading, tree hugging, can't criticise minorities Or protected groups but constantly attack traditional groups and Traditional Britain, and this kind of ravenous approach against anything nationalistic (=Nazi apparently) - unless of course it's about Palestinian, Tibetan, or various African or South American nation or indigenous issues. You kind of see the ideological indoctrination that is taking place.




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Was it Darren Adam that you were listening to? I think I recall that debate. It was the topic from 1 am to 2 am, right?
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I really think the answer is yes, education indoctrinated young people with left wing ideology particularly on social issues. Have I ever heard a teacher express a right wing social view , yes once- he got **** canned for it. Basically it was a IT teacher who said we should cut immigration. Other than that all the teachers we had was left wing liberal airheads who was creative with the truth
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Judging by the amount of ravenously offensive and stupid right wing garbage y'all like to spew on here, I'd suggest the opposite is happening frankly. Or at least, if they are trying to create some indoctrination they're failing miserably.
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I really think the answer is yes, education indoctrinated young people with left wing ideology particularly on social issues. Have I ever heard a teacher express a right wing social view , yes once- he got **** canned for it. Basically it was a IT teacher who said we should cut immigration. Other than that all the teachers we had was left wing liberal airheads who was creative with the truth
I must say that it annoys me when people think opposing freedom of movement is right wing.
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Judging by the amount of ravenously offensive and stupid right wing garbage y'all like to spew on here, I'd suggest the opposite is happening frankly. Or at least, if they are trying to create some indoctrination they're failing miserably.
Disagree, the education system is very left wing I left sixth firm 2 years ago all our teachers, even the business ones were like Corbyn both economically and socially. Generation Z is the most socially right wing since the boomers, and probably follow their own opinion and not following the pre conceived opinion by the far left like millenials , ask us the question why do we have antifa? It is the left wing educational system
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Informing them of the left wing viewpoints is not the same as indoctrination.
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Is the ghost of ILEA haunting our nation's schools?

The whole purpose of the Thatcher government abolishing ILEA is because it was a Marxist cesspit beyond reform where teachers dossed about and indoctrinated children in toxic and discredited political ideologies at the taxpayer's expense. Did redundant commies from ILEA find new jobs in the educational books and resources industry?
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yes it is
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I don't know about this. However, my A level sociology teacher was openly left-wing and would criticise right-wing ideas/policies in front of us during lessons, without talking about their merits; which I am sure teachers should not be doing as they are meant to be impartial...
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why are you being so emotional kid its okay
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Yes and it's terrible. Teachers openly make political remarks when they're not meant to and make right wing students feel bad.
Socialism is cancer!!! Socialism will be the death of humanity!!!!
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As said above, based on the number of right-wing and far-right-wing views on this website then it is very evident that there is not mass indoctrination going on.
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(Original post by Cubone-r)
I don't know about this. However, my A level sociology teacher was openly left-wing and would criticise right-wing ideas/policies in front of us during lessons, without talking about their merits; which I am sure teachers should not be doing as they are meant to be impartial...
Alot of teachers are like that.
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Alot of teachers are like that.
Yeah, it makes you think...

I think this kind of "indoctrination" that the debate is concerned with is more prevalent in US education, especially their universities.

Luckily, our universities are still (somewhat) havens for the freedom of ideas and discussion. Although a few universities are slipping away from this (e.g. Uni of York banning International Men's day); and at my own alma mater (Glasgow) there was so much hysteria over a men's meeting to discuss issues related to men that it almost got shut down by the SU.
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Yeah, it makes you think...

I think this kind of "indoctrination" that the debate is concerned with is more prevalent in US education, especially their universities.

Luckily, our universities are still (somewhat) havens for the freedom of ideas and discussion. Although a few universities are slipping away from this (e.g. Uni of York banning International Men's day); and at my own alma mater (Glasgow) there was so much hysteria over a men's meeting to discuss issues related to men that it almost got shut down by the SU.
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Yes it is, and its so successful people don't even know its happening
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Disagree, the education system is very left wing I left sixth firm 2 years ago all our teachers, even the business ones were like Corbyn both economically and socially. Generation Z is the most socially right wing since the boomers, and probably follow their own opinion and not following the pre conceived opinion by the far left like millenials , ask us the question why do we have antifa? It is the left wing educational system
Why do you defend that socially right wing views are some sort of natural, instinctive ideology and haven't come from indoctrination? Do you not agree with gender equality, not being racist,sexist or having LGBT rights? Its all well and good saying that left wing ideology has come from a newly founded brainwashing education system, but this is PROGRESS in our society, and an awakening to the ignorant, uneducated people of our past that held these views you call 'non pre conceived'.
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Are right wing views natural , about as natural as left/far left views. Racism as a definition is far too loose, libtards like shouting about racism and maintain only white people are racist, black and asains are immune from critisism . Progressive politics if but can nog jUOTE=Ollie123x;73152074]Why do you defend that socially right and haven't come from indoctrination? Do you not agree with gender original equality, not being racist,sexist or having LGBT rights? Its all well and good saying that left wing ideology has come from a newly founded brainwashing education system, but this is PROGRESS in our society, and an awakening to the ignorant, uneducated people of our past that held these views you call 'non pre conceived'.[/QUOTE]
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