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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    He OD'ed.
    No, he died too quickly, and there was unlikely to be enough paracetamol to kill him. Death by paracetamol poisoning is very slow indeed. He almost certainly choked on what he was trying to conceal.

    What a clown he was, to try to hide such an innocuous package, though he may have thought it was something else, having been stiffed by his supplier. And who is stupid enough to shove something wrapped in plastic down their throat? It invites suffocation.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Violent altercations that are outside the law and that result in death are pretty brutal. I can see no evidence that the officer acted outside the law or a reasonable attempt to apprehend and then help a person who was violently resisting arrest.
    Well to clarify, I'm not claiming it to be an act of brutality. I actually believe that that officer had good intentions but it is obviously important to determine how the young man died, so someone has to be blamed.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    someone has to be blamed.
    Well, it is now looking as if he shoved a plastic wrapped cache of pills down his throat. Why should the policeman be blamed if he tried to get it out, even if he did accidentally shove it further in?
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    'Rashan Charles, who died after a police chase, had a package in his throat with "mixture of paracetamol + caffeine wrapped in plastic".' (LBC)

    He OD'ed.
    Where does it say he overdosed? Or is that another one of your assumptions?
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    He didn't swallow drugs.

    https://twitter.com/i/moments/892844703061864448
    Actually he did, just not controlled ones.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40820468

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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Well, it is now looking as if he shoved a plastic wrapped cache of pills down his throat. Why should the policeman be blamed if he tried to get it out, even if he did accidentally shove it further in?
    Because in that case, the officer caused his death.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Because in that case, the officer caused his death.
    No, the ****wit that swallowed them did.

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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Because in that case, the officer caused his death.

    You've got some serious mental gymnastics.

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    (Original post by Meany Pie)
    No, the ****wit that swallowed them did.

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    & How do you know that he actually swallowed it and it wasn't pushed down his throat by an officer? Did Rashan tell you or?
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    You've got some serious mental gymnastics.

    You still here, officer?
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    You still here, officer?
    Duty calls!
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    & How do you know that he actually swallowed it and it wasn't pushed down his throat by an officer? Did Rashan tell you or?
    I highly doubt he was just going to leave them in his mouth upon arrest for them to be instantly found. Defeats the object of even trying to hide them.

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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Because in that case, the officer caused his death.
    Don't be silly. The cause would be putting such a stupid and dangerous package down your throat, not a panicked attempt by an untrained person to save him. By your logic paramedics must kill people every day. Why are they all still in their jobs?

    I know you claim to be open minded, but you have to justify that by being reasonable in your claims. Such a life-saving attempt (by an untrained person in a panic situation) would never result in prosecution.
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    (Original post by Meany Pie)
    I highly doubt he was just going to leave them in his mouth upon arrest for them to be instantly found. Defeats the object of even trying to hide them.

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    He may have tried to hide it in his mouth, under his tongue possibly. It was obviously still visible in his mouth if the officer was trying to get it out.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    He may have tried to hide it in his mouth, under his tongue possibly. It was obviously still visible in his mouth if the officer was trying to get it out.
    Really, under his tongue? Never heard of people trying swallow drugs before?

    The officer saw him put it in his mouth.

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    Apparently a couple of people have been convicted before for having paracetamol and caffeine together. Used to cut heroin and increase value. Would explain why he would attempt to swallow the package
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Don't be silly. The cause would be putting such a stupid and dangerous package down your throat, not a panicked attempt by an untrained person to save him. By your logic paramedics must kill people every day. Why are they all still in their jobs?

    I know you claim to be open minded, but you have to justify that by being reasonable in your claims. Such a life-saving attempt (by an untrained person in a panic situation) would never result in prosecution.
    I am being reasonable.
    Maybe it wouldn't result in prosecution, but at least we'd know the definite cause of death instead of speculating.

    Let's say an officer suspected that a man was in possession a gun, so he pursued him and threw him to the floor to try and remove the gun, however, the suspect is not cooperating and is resisting. During the resist, the officer accidentally pulls the trigger, killing the suspect instantly. Who would be responsible for the death?
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I am being reasonable.
    Maybe it wouldn't result in prosecution, but at least we'd know the definite cause of death instead of speculating.

    Let's say an officer suspected that a man was in possession a gun, so he pursued him and threw him to the floor to try and remove the gun, however, the suspect is not cooperating and is resisting. During the resist, the officer accidentally pulls the trigger, killing the suspect instantly. Who would be responsible for the death?
    If police suspect a gun they call in firearms officers.

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    I heard about this. And there are riots now, in Dalston. Stupidness if you ask me, getting their cues on how to fight for justice from American tweets.

    I'm so sorry but I can't feel bad for anyone who breaks the law and a cop hurts them. If they weren't doing anything wrong and a cop hurt them THEN I will.

    What does burning a rubbish bin achieve :lol:

    and burning down the area only adds to gentrification because once the place gets remodeled, you can't afford it. I'm from a bad area and I get it so I don't rate foolishness.

    That being said before I wised up I did nick and burn **** back in 2011
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    During the resist, the officer accidentally pulls the trigger, killing the suspect instantly. Who would be responsible for the death?
    The man resisting arrest. The officer would not be blamed by any reasonable person. Someone resisting arrest wilfully incurs the risk of death or injury that may happen to him in the reasonable process of arresting him, and additionally incurs the blame for any injuries that occur to the officer or an outsider.
 
 
 
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