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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Right, so explain what made it so difficult to arrest him from the very beginning? Because from watching the footage many times, I am struggling to see how it was not possible.



    Not true, especially in this case. Even before he was thrown to the floor, the officer had both of Rashans hands behind his back. He could've arrested him at that point and avoided the whole ordeal.



    "If officers know or suspect that a detainee has swallowed or packed drugs, either for the purpose of trafficking or to avoid imminent arrest or detention by the police, they must treat the person as being in need of urgent medical attention and transfer them straight to hospital"

    https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/defaul...n_29_Case8.pdf
    He was sent to hospital, where he later died.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Right, so explain what made it so difficult to arrest him from the very beginning? Because from watching the footage many times, I am struggling to see how it was not possible.

    Not true, especially in this case. Even before he was thrown to the floor, the officer had both of Rashans hands behind his back. He could've arrested him at that point and avoided the whole ordeal.

    "If officers know or suspect that a detainee has swallowed or packed drugs, either for the purpose of trafficking or to avoid imminent arrest or detention by the police, they must treat the person as being in need of urgent medical attention and transfer them straight to hospital"

    https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/defaul...n_29_Case8.pdf
    Because he resisting arrest, did that part not seem apparent to you?

    If he could have done, he would have done. The officer is not going to put himself in unnecessary danger. You know what could have really avoided this whole ordeal? Not running from the police, had you thought of that one?

    Which is why they attended with a force medic and called the ambulance, that doesn't mean they aren't going to arrest them.
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    He was sent to hospital, where he later died.
    Why do you keep saying this?
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    (Original post by Meany Pie)
    Because he resisting arrest, did that part not seem apparent to you?

    If he could have done, he would have done. The officer is not going to put himself in unnecessary danger. You know what could have really avoided this whole ordeal? Not running from the police, had you thought of that one?

    Which is why they attended with a force medic and called the ambulance, that doesn't mean they aren't going to arrest them.
    For the second time, the officer had both of Rashans hands behind his back. He could have arrested him at this point, but he chose not to and instead he threw him to the floor which may have seriously harmed him.

    The officer wasn't put in unnecessary danger, rashan was.

    Yes he was wrong for resisting, but death shouldn't be the outcome. I'm sure police deal with people resisting arrest all the time.

    Do you honestly believe that there was no way to prevent his death?

    It was stated that the ambulance crew attended only after he was 'taken ill'
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    For the second time, the officer had both of Rashans hands behind his back. He could have arrested him at this point, but he chose not to and instead he threw him to the floor which may have seriously harmed him.

    The officer wasn't put in unnecessary danger, rashan was.

    Yes he was wrong for resisting, but death shouldn't be the outcome. I'm sure police deal with people resisting arrest all the time.

    Do you honestly believe that there was no way to prevent his death?

    It was stated that the ambulance crew attended only after he was 'taken ill'
    You don't need to repeat yourself. The officer clearly didn't feel safe arresting him while he was standing.

    By his own doing, swallowing drugs and running from the police generally puts one in danger.

    No, it shouldn't be the outcome.

    It wasn't going to attend before since he was "taken ill" after the arrest.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Why do you keep saying this?
    Because it's important (?)
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    (Original post by Meany Pie)
    You don't need to repeat yourself. The officer clearly didn't feel safe arresting him while he was standing.
    But he didn't arrest him when he was on the floor either.

    By his own doing, swallowing drugs and running from the police generally puts one in danger.
    He wasn't running, he was resisting, and bear in mind that not being able to breathe can induce violent resist and struggle because your body is frantically searching for air. You even see his arm flailing about.

    No, it shouldn't be the outcome.
    So do you think that they could have handled the situation differently?

    It wasn't going to attend before since he was "taken ill" after the arrest.
    Yes but the IPCC states that if an officer suspects that someone has swallowed drugs, the police should take them to hospital immediately, not after they start to become ill.
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    Because it's important (?)
    I am aware that he was declared dead at the hospital.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    But he didn't arrest him when he was on the floor either.

    He wasn't running, he was resisting, and bear in mind that not being able to breathe can induce violent resist and struggle because your body is frantically searching for air. You even see his arm flailing about.

    So do you think that they could have handled the situation differently?

    Yes but the IPCC states that if an officer suspects that someone has swallowed drugs, the police should take them to hospital immediately, not after they start to become ill.
    What do you think the handcuffs were for?

    He was being chased by the police and he tried to escape through the shop, he was running.

    Possibly.

    How do you take someone to the hospital if they won't go with you willingly?
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40696004

    He choked himself?

    IPCC has opened an independent investigation.
    'Murdered by the police'. Geez, ****ing losers, people are so dumb. It must suck to be a policeman nowadays........
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    (Original post by Meany Pie)
    What do you think the handcuffs were for?

    He was being chased by the police and he tried to escape through the shop, he was running.

    Possibly.

    How do you take someone to the hospital if they won't go with you willingly?
    I mean in the shop he wasn't running from them.

    You arrest them , escort them out of the shop, put them into the police car and take them to hospital, and call for backup if necessary.
    Do you think that it was impossible to arrest him or something?
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    So do you think that they could have handled the situation differently?
    Do you not think the man who died could have handled the situation differently? It was his life, after all, and he should have taken more responsibility for it.

    Had he not fled, accepted arrest and dealt with any misunderstanding later, he would be alive.

    Obviously, if he resisted and fled for a good (to him) reason, such as avoiding a long term of imprisonment for dealing hard drugs and being caught in possession of the incriminating evidence, then we must assume he weighed up the risks of resisting and chose to accept them.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I mean in the shop he wasn't running from them.

    You arrest them , escort them out of the shop, put them into the police car and take them to hospital, and call for backup if necessary.
    Do you think that it was impossible to arrest him or something?
    Tricky to run in a small shop.

    An ambulance would probably be safer that way you could provide constant medical attention rather than transporting without medical attention.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I mean in the shop he wasn't running from them.
    What was he doing then? Going for a jog around the soft drinks aisle?
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    (Original post by Meany Pie)
    Tricky to run in a small shop.

    An ambulance would probably be safer that way you could provide constant medical attention rather than transporting without medical attention.
    But the thing is, he wasn't given any medical attention until after he fell unconscious.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    But the thing is, he wasn't given any medical attention until after he fell unconscious.
    Pretty sure a force medic attended the scene.
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    (Original post by Meany Pie)
    Pretty sure a force medic attended the scene.
    It was stated that the medics gave him first aid after he was taken ill
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    It was stated that the medics gave him first aid after he was taken ill
    A medic provided support before the ambulance arrived, I would guess that ambulances are protocol.
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    (Original post by Ciel.)
    'Murdered by the police'. Geez, ****ing losers, people are so dumb. It must suck to be a policeman nowadays........
    I've applied to be one, so I will be dealing with these sorts of people on daily basis if I graduate.
 
 
 
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