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    B1238 - British Summer Time Bill 2017, Hon. barnetlad MP
    A BILL TO

    Retain British Summer Time year-round in England and Wales, and devolve the matter to Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—



    1. Definitions

    a. 'British Summer Time' shall mean the timezone one hour in advance of Greenwich Mean Time.

    b. 'Devolved Government' shall refer to the Scottish Parliament and Northern Ireland Assembly, for the purposes of this Bill

    2. Time Zone settings

    a. England and Wales shall have British Summer Time all year round, commencing from the last Sunday of March 2020.

    b. Devolved Government shall have the powers to set time zones of their choosing, subject to 24 months notice of any change from those in force in 2017. In the event of no decision being made to the contrary, they shall follow the time zone of England and Wales

    3. Title, Extent and Commencement

    a. This Bill shall be known as the British Summer Time Bill 2017

    b. This Bill shall take effect upon Royal Assent.

    c. This Bill shall apply to the whole of the United Kingdom

    Notes

    The United Kingdom had a three year trial of year-round British Summer Time in the 1960s, but this was not continued because of concerns from those living in Scotland, and those working in agriculture. Estimates at the time were that around 2,500 fewer people were killed or seriously injured in road accidents over the first two winters, though since then the introduction of seat belts, motor cycle helmets and other road safety measures mean that accident reductions could be less, though any are welcome. November evenings are the highest for road accidents, perhaps because of the impact of the change in late October.

    Groups such as ROSPA and the Later Lighter campaign have advocated change, either to year round summer time, or the same time zones as France and Belgium, which are one hour ahead of the UK.

    Since the 1960s the number of people working in agriculture has reduced, the decline or ending of mining, manufacturing and other traditional shift work means fewer people start work in winter darkness (or would under these proposals). An hour's extra daylight is expected to reduce energy bills from less lighting, and potentially reduce those affected by Seasonal Affective Disorder.

    There would be business and travel benefits in the winter months with having the same time zone as France and other near neighbours which could boost business and tourism, though this has not been estimated.

    This Bill recognises the different hours of daylight in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and allows decisions to be made locally about this matter. Many countries have more than one time zone, so the UK would not be unique.

    The two year period before introduction allows for transport schedules and other matters set well in advance to take account of the change.
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    :nope:

    2b is just silly

    Since the rest of Europe (if not the world) changes timezones like we do, it would be silly to not harmonise. Particularly when looking at things like trade.
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    Nay, we have different time zones for a reason - would rather not have youngish or vulnerable children walking home from school in pitch black darkness
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
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    2b is just silly

    Since the rest of Europe (if not the world) changes timezones like we do, it would be silly to not harmonise. Particularly when looking at things like trade.
    2b is basically the entire bill...
    I was going to say nay as I thought it was irrelevant, but the notes have persuaded me.
    Aye
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    (Original post by That'sGreat)
    Nay, we have different time zones for a reason - would rather not have youngish or vulnerable children walking home from school in pitch black darkness
    What?
    The time zone is exactly the same for all of the uk, which is the point of the bill (changing that). Indeed, there will be less vulnerable children.
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    nay
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    No.

    It's daft to not change our clocks at the same time as the rest of Europe and it will cause more confusion than any caused by the current system.

    It's inexcusable to devolve the powers to Scotland and Northern Ireland but not to Wales. England extends further north than Northern Ireland so geography isn't much of an excuse.

    It's frankly bizarre that GMT would no longer be the standard time in Greenwich.
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    I oppose the devolution aspect, so nay. Get rid of that and it's an aye.
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    Nay on all counts.
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    Is this a classic barnetlad joke bill or is it meant to be serious?
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Is this a classic barnetlad joke bill or is it meant to be serious?
    Serious
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Serious
    Debatable.
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    Without 2(b) I would consider supporting this.
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    .Have to say nay
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    A day cannot be lengthened, there will still be 24 hours in the day and the number of hours of daylight does not change, this makes evenings lighter and mornings darker. All of the drawbacks with dark evenings will happen with darker mornings.
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    Somerset timezone when?
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    So would members of the House support a simpler Bill to have British Summer Time all year round?
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    So would members of the House support a simpler Bill to have British Summer Time all year round?
    No, the justification does not stand up against scrutiny.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    A day cannot be lengthened, there will still be 24 hours in the day and the number of hours of daylight does not change, this makes evenings lighter and mornings darker. All of the drawbacks with dark evenings will happen with darker mornings.
    You might think that but the evidence of the three year trial suggests otherwise. Fewer road accidents perhaps came from people being less tired, or more careful when they start in darkness and it gets lighter, than the other way around. Since then the proportion of those in work who start early in the morning has reduced, and also more children travel to school accompanied than home bound. For older people who are unwilling or unable to travel in darkness, it releases part of the afternoon.

    As for the exemption for Scotland and Northern Ireland- for Scotland this was because most of the opposition came from there, and for Northern Ireland because they might not wish to be a different zone from the Republic. However, in reality i expect they would both opt for the same time zone as England and Wales. In Scotland the anti-independence parties would not want to make Scotland any more different from the rest of the UK, and In Northern Ireland I can imagine the DUP would say 'no' as well to any difference.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    You might think that but the evidence of the three year trial suggests otherwise. Fewer road accidents perhaps came from people being less tired, or more careful when they start in darkness and it gets lighter, than the other way around. Since then the proportion of those in work who start early in the morning has reduced, and also more children travel to school accompanied than home bound. For older people who are unwilling or unable to travel in darkness, it releases part of the afternoon.

    As for the exemption for Scotland and Northern Ireland- for Scotland this was because most of the opposition came from there, and for Northern Ireland because they might not wish to be a different zone from the Republic. However, in reality i expect they would both opt for the same time zone as England and Wales. In Scotland the anti-independence parties would not want to make Scotland any more different from the rest of the UK, and In Northern Ireland I can imagine the DUP would say 'no' as well to any difference.
    What the evidence revealed was an increase in the number of deaths on the roads in the mornings and a decrease in the number of deaths on the roads in the evenings, however, the decrease in the number of deaths in the evenings coincided with drink driving legislation which would have had a greater impact. This bill provides no social improvements and no economic improvement, this bill shortens the trading day with the huge global financial hub on New York City but then the Green Party has never been about economic development.
 
 
 
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