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    Because Karl was a good guy.
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    (Original post by Dot.Cotton)
    Because the nasty little oiks have never had a job and are used to having everything handed to them on a plate. The youth of today are an embarrassment to our country.
    Attitudes like this is exactly what makes them as they are.
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    (Original post by teenhorrorstory)
    We have good hearts
    Nazi's thought they did.
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    Cuz so many young people are broke af
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    (Original post by Conceited)
    I'm not quite sure that you could refer to communists and Corbyn in the same breath
    I use 'Commie' lightly, for giggles, but in all seriousness he has Marxist credentials and appointed a confirmed Marxist as his shadow chancellor

    He isn't for all intents and purposes a socialist
    He's a "21st century" Socialist :yeah:
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    I use 'Commie' lightly, for giggles, but in all seriousness he has Marxist credentials and appointed a confirmed Marxist as his shadow chancellor

    He's a "21st century" Socialist :yeah:
    Neither individual is a Marxist by any considerable measure because they both advocate and intend to just have seemingly endless reforms of capitalism (arguably no different from the Tories) whereas a Marxist would be revolutionary wanting to bring an end to wage labour relationships and abolishing private property etc. It doesn't matter at all if they've said otherwise, words don't matter in this case, actions do.
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    Even the most socially deprived youth today must realise that living in a government controlled propaganda state is much worse than a society where anyone is able to improve their lives (albeit requiring some effort)?
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    Because It sounds good, Communism/Socialism/Marxism is like a Sweet poison, smells nice looks nice, but when you get into it the poison starts working.
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    (Original post by rugbycricket)
    Even the most socially deprived youth today must realise that living in a government controlled propaganda state is much worse than a society where anyone is able to improve their lives (albeit requiring some effort)?
    I think nowadays most people who are labelled(and even self-describe) as "socialists" actually just have some socialist principles but support social-democratic policies within a capitalist economy. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone apart from a few outlying nutters who actually want to abolish the current economic system.
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    When capitalism is going down the *****er anti -capitalist sentiment rises.

    Also the right has failed with home ownership, which was their strategy of getting working class people to become "aspirational" and look up to the middle class and vote for the new right Conservatives. Where as now not only are the working class under being denied all these things their parents had but large sections of the middle class are falling back down the ladder and are starting to identify they have more in common with the working class.

    What did the right expect to happen? Their are starting to fail according to the parameters of their own strategy.

    (Original post by Reality Check)
    Because if you don't have a proper job, or kids you want to raise and provide for, or a house, or any material possessions which you've worked hard for, then it's probably appealing.
    and this is no longer a situation people find themselves in only when they are young, instead it carry out to well above 30. More and more people still find themselves with less of these "material possessions" to make them more right wing. Hence they remain left wing. It wasn't just 18-25 yr olds who voted labour. You have to get past 50 before you get a majority conservative vote share in the age demographics.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    I think nowadays most people who are labelled(and even self-describe) as "socialists" actually just have some socialist principles but support social-democratic policies within a capitalist economy. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone apart from a few outlying nutters who actually want to abolish the current economic system.
    This is true but for many people their views on combining socialism and capitalist democracy are sometimes too idealistic and many times just simply not possible. Increasing taxes for public services like benefits, NHS etc puts off wealthier people who don't themselves benefit and therefore means it's much harder to make change.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)



    and this is no longer a situation people find themselves in only when they are young, instead it carry out to well above 30. More and more people still find themselves with less of these "material possessions" to make them more right wing. Hence they remain left wing. It wasn't just 18-25 yr olds who voted labour. You have to get past 50 before you get a majority conservative vote share in the age demographics.
    I totally agree with you. If I were a young person now, I'd be feeling pretty pissed off and feeling that I'd been short-changed.
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    It's because young people generally don't own things, so have nothing to lose from an equal split in resources, only something to gain.

    I like the idea of a communist society working but it won't happen until all humans transcend greed. This isn't going anywhere, so although being a Marxist I just have to accept the way things are and hope that some time thousands of years down the line it may actually work. At the moment it's only viable in small groups of like minded people.
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    (Original post by Conceited)
    both advocate and intend to just have seemingly endless reforms of capitalism whereas a Marxist would be revolutionary wanting to bring an end to wage labour relationships
    Death by a thousand cuts: first it'd be renationalisation of various entities, the creation of a massive national investment bank (a nod to China's brand of state Capitalism), doubling down on debt, and going after the top 5% of earners, then (if they got away with that), who knows? They've clearly determined to tone it down to try to avoid shedding too many votes but this does not mean they have turned their back on Marxism

    words don't matter in this case
    True story? :wizard:
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    People are often Marxist without understanding the true meaning since it's such a utopian idea...
    this would obviously appeal to them as they wouldn't go further into the ideas and research about it to see if they really like the ideas Marx presents. I personally respect Marx and agree with many parts of Marxism, however am biased to a more socialist agenda e.g. Marxism and socialism believe in equality of wealth, however under Marxist rule money is split according to the needs of people rather than the Socialist idea of splitting money according to the deeds the person has done for society (in terms of work and help towards the economy)

    People are either drawn to the Utopian idea
    Or they heard parts of the idea and have made a uneducated choice
    Or the genuinely believe in its ideas and think a world like that is Possible
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    Marxism like most ideologies contains interesting ideas and is mostly with the best of intentions. The same can be said though of Christianity, Nazism, and Islam. They're the musings of people who think they understand the world well enough to prescribe the solution of how best to operate it.

    The problem with trying to implement it though is that just like all the other ideologies is that it requires oppression. People are inherently split into conservative and liberal thinking which is measured by the personality trait openness. Conservative or low openness trait people like things to stay as they are, they like rigid structures, borders, and they're generally very good at managing them. Liberal or high openness trait people are your innovators, they need to be questioning the status quo, testing new ideas, they tend to make terrible managers but are good ideas people.

    Marxism is the brain child of a liberal mind, but to implement it you need a conservative person to manage the situation and that's where it, and frankly all ideologies fall apart because your liberal section of people don't want to leave it as a static solution, they need the flexibility to adapt it, but the conservative people you have running the shop can't keep pace with that and so rather than an ideology being an organic. changing set of ideas, it becomes forcefully implemented and oppressive.

    Now, why do young educated people find Marxism so attractive? Simply put it's because they haven't tried it. It's something novel and new to them which appeals to their high openness trait. You can bet your bottom dollar though that if we were in a Marxist society, and they were suffering the murderous oppression that would entail that the same liberal trait they have would be crying out for something different as well.

    And they're not being educated well enough to realise that there isn't a one size fits all solution to society. You need liberal and conservative principles and people co-operating to find what works for a given scenario. An engineer can't fix everything with the restrictive binding powers of gaffa tape (conservatism), they also need for some problems the unsticking power of WD40 (liberalism) to free things up. But instead we end up letting our clannish inclinations take hold and it becomes loonie left versus far right in peoples minds.
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    (Original post by Reality Check)
    I totally agree with you. If I were a young person now, I'd be feeling pretty pissed off and feeling that I'd been short-changed.
    So, if anything, what can/should be done about it? Other than telling young people they are naive idealistic morons for voting for something other than carrying on with the current trajectory that is screwing them over.
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    (Original post by rugbycricket)
    Even the most socially deprived youth today must realise that living in a government controlled propaganda state is much worse than a society where anyone is able to improve their lives (albeit requiring some effort)?
    Communism doesn't have to be that and tbh a propoganda state does pretty much describe Britain and america quite well.Both systems have their flaws.Do I think that a doctor should be paid as much as a binman? no.But neither is it ok when 10 individuals own as much as 3.5 billion people.
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    It is a consequence of envy and resentment of hard working successful people and a state school education that fails to teach critical thinking.
 
 
 
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