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hey ppl !!!! well I just wanted to know which business school is more prestigious..the one at cass or the one at warwick..heard some very unprofessional things about warwick business school lately that research has been commercialised at warwick and that tutors do not base their classes on the lectures ..so how is it to study over there? i basically lived all my life in london..will it be too rural and boring?
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You did the same thing on the LSE forum didn't you?

Anyway, you won't get a neutral answer here, but go for WBS
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You did the same thing on the LSE forum didn't you?

Anyway, you won't get a neutral answer here, but go for WBS
i do not want to sound rude..in case u didnt read through my lse note..I asked if lse is better than cass, cause according to the guardian rankings LSE is lower ranked that Cass...lse is undoubtedly also a good uni:p: and I applied to it as well..though I have not applied to warwick
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You did the same thing on the LSE forum didn't you?

Anyway, you won't get a neutral answer here, but go for WBS
hahaha now i have applied, but maybe I should have applied to it as well!!what do u mean I wouldnt get a neutral reply? get I chose cass over Warwick cause it is in the financial centre of london and you I guess u can get better IB jobs after graduating:rolleyes: ditta
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You won't get a neutral answer because you are posting in the Warwick sub forum, hence Warwick people will reply.
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hey ppl !!!! well I just wanted to know which business school is more prestigious..the one at cass or the one at warwick..heard some very unprofessional things about warwick business school lately that research has been commercialised at warwick and that tutors do not base their classes on the lectures ..so how is it to study over there? i basically lived all my life in london..will it be too rural and boring?
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both are really good business schools but cass is better located i guess..since they are in the city which is like the most important financial centre of the world..hope that helps
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I would say if you've always lived in London, then go for warwick. To be honest, cass is only really highly respected for postgrad, for undergrad you're on equal footing. And dont worry about cass actually being in London - you have newspapers at warwick so you'll be in the same position :p: employers dont say 'oh this person lives in London so will know whats going on in the financial world!' , they'll say 'aaah yes wbs is very good'. well they might not actually say that but you get my drift.
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I made some rsearch about this and I gathered that Warwick is a few notches ahead of Cass especially when we talk about business/management/economics/finance/mathematics and computer studies.

For undergraduate management/business studies, Warwick is generally accepted as the next best school after Oxford and it shares this status with LSE.

For undergrad economics, Oxford and Cambridge are still a tier above Warwick, LSE and UCL. But LSE is certainly a little above Warwick and UCL or occupy a spot in-between Oxbridge and Warwick/UCL.

For graduate level management/finance/economics and MBA, LBS is undoubtdly the top 1 business school. After it comes Oxford-Said and Cambridge-Judge. Then below th Oxbridge are Warwick, Manchester and Cranfield. Then just belw them are Lancaster, Nottingham, Edinburgh, Durham, Bradford, City-Cass, Imperial-Tanaka and Ashridge.
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But it depands on what sources you base. Coz regarding to The Guardian 2008 ranking top business and management unis are as follows: Ox., Warwick, CASS, Bristol, LSE, St Andrews, Bath ...
So they are "slightly" different. However, I'd rather relly on your sources - I just cannot imagine LSE being the 5th one :\
Nevertheless, the conclusion can be only one: Warwick overtakes CASS.
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(Original post by Bilek)
But it depands on what sources you base. Coz regarding to The Guardian 2008 ranking top business and management unis are as follows: Ox., Warwick, CASS, Bristol, LSE, St Andrews, Bath ...
So they are "slightly" different. However, I'd rather relly on your sources - I just cannot imagine LSE being the 5th one :\
Nevertheless, the conclusion can be only one: Warwick overtakes CASS.
whichever source (ranking league tables) you're going to look at, Oxford, LSE and Warwick are solidly in the top 3 -- for undergraduate management degree program with Oxford occupying the top spot. This is also sthe generally accepted notion by the ordinary peeps as well as those HRDs of top companies and invesment banking like mckinsey and the like. The top 4 and onwards can go either ways. Some would say Manchester is ahead of Imperial-Tanaka or Tanaka is ahead of cass or Duram is ahead of Bristol, etc...

If I may rank them, it would go this way:

1 - Oxford
2 - LSE, Warwick
3 - Manchester, Nottingham, Cass, Tanaka, and the like

If you want to go into Investment Banking or Management Cosultancy and the like, even a degree in engineering or sceince from Cambridge can land you into such job position. But of course, someone with a degree in Management (from a top business school such as Oxford, Wrwick, LSE, Manchester, Nottingham) would have an avantage, but it does not keep you away from getting into IB or MC if you have a degree in Economics, Mathematics, Industrial Engineering and Finance from a top UK uni.

For Investment Banking and MC, recruiters actively scout talents from Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Warwick. Then Imperial, UCL, Manchester, Nottingham, Durham, Bristol, Edinburgh, St. Andrews and Cass. I based this on a data which unfortunately is not accessible through www.
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thanks so much! ill def use Cass as my insurance..it has a great future...at the open day they said that they want to make cass the best business school in europe.
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^ Nice to hear Cass is planning to improve from its current status. But I honestly doubt Cass would overtake those already established schools in the field such as Oxford, Cambridge, Warwick, LSE, Manchester, Nottingham and Imperial anytime soon. Because the thing is, if Cass is doing some steps to improve its standing, the others are doing the same. Oxford will be Oxford and it will continue to be ahead of Cass because it's a powerful name in the academic world. Like I said, the solid top 3: Oxford, LSE and Warwick will remain that way for a very long time.
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i would simply choose cass over warwick because if its location since both are reputable institutions! cass is in an exciting lively city, where u can find everything u want, and in the most important financial centres of the world and warwick is in a dull place where you cant even find a proper club at the weekends..
yes, I have also heard that cass plans some cooperation with yale uni from the states...and the departement is getting more and more popular..since now i have heard there are 5400 applications for all business courses for 2008 entry!
i doubt whether cambridge, nottingham and imperial have such good business schools espc for UG..have never heard of any..and especially not for finance but it actually depends on what you want to study. like for actuarial science cass is like 2nd in the world behing wharton..
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I hope university in the UK is the same as in the US, but correct me if I'm wrong...

Don't pick the school for undergraduate study based on who is more prestigious or the like. Pick a school with a campus you enjoy, professors you can work with, and teaching methods that motivate you to learn. As long as you are going to a pretty good school it doesn't really matter where you go to undergraduate study. You will get the same education almost anywhere. Just be at the top of your class and enjoy three years. The in the world today, especially at IB, graduate study is the main concern. You should be selective because employers are biased towards where you get your graduate degree from.

Basically, choose undergrad based on other factors. You will get basically the same education at both Warwick and LSE. You won't get a great job in the world of big time finance today with just an undergraduate degree, so don't worry about the school unless you are unwilling to go for an MBA or other grad degree. I'm not sure (I dont live here), but I assume that graduate schools do not care where you did an undergrad degree from as long as you had high marks and were at the top of your class (like in the US), so just pick a school you like.
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ellie28,

Like I said, recruiters do scout talents on campus. And usually, top firms know where they can scout the best talents -- Oxbridge, LSE, Warwick, Manchester, Nottingham, Bristol, Durham, York, Imperial and the like.

Unless you plan to go shopping to all those top companies and knock on the doors of each of those to submit your resume then going to Cass would probably be an advantage since most top firms are in London. But that's not always the case.

Again, top bulge bracket firms do regularly recruit at Oxbridge, LSE and Warwick. That's it. Therefore a degree from any of those would be an advantage.
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ellie28,

Like I said, recruiters do scout talents on campus. And usually, top firms know where they can scout the best talents -- Oxbridge, LSE, Warwick, Manchester, Nottingham, Bristol, Durham, York, Imperial and the like.

Unless you plan to go shopping to all those top companies and knock on the doors of each of those to submit your resume then going to Cass would probably be an advantage since most top firms are in London. But that's not always the case.

Again, top bulge bracket firms do regularly recruit at Oxbridge, LSE and Warwick. That's it. Therefore a degree from any of those would be an advantage.


well, I guess you have to have a life outside of uni and everything must have a balance, don't u think?...not everyone's goal is to have only a top degree and no life...my best friend's cousin is at warwick and he has told me that weekends are dull cause everyone goes down to london clubbing....seriously 2 questions to your post: A) what kind of undergraduate study in business and finance can u get at cambridge or imperial?B) nottingham's entry requirements for business are much lower than for warwick and cass, so how can it be better?

i guess that if you want to study in london UG business then cass is the most prestigious one according to the Guardian 2008 next to LSE..but then again a top degree is not everything -it's also student life..and in london u will never get bored or feel lonely at weekends. so if someone does not get the grades for lse and does want to study finance or business in london cass would be the best and most respected alternative and now that it will start a cooperation with stern business school, NY as well as warwick uni which has a good name..but only if you want a top degree in the middle of nowhere lol .
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Not everyone who wants a balance life would see studying in London would be an advantage either. (Warwick has easy access to Birmingham, and the city of Coventry is not that "dull" either if you know how to spend your Saturday nights.) Choosing between London and countryside setting is partially a part of the many criteria in choosing a school to go to. But as reality has often shown us, school prestige do win over school location in choosing a school to go to. Take Cambridge for example. It's nowhere near London's setting yet people go there because it's prestigious. In the case of Warwick vs Cass, I think it's silly to say that Cass is as prestigious as Warwick.

Let me tell you something about school location in the US. Many top schools in the US are not situated in a cosmopolitan area. Stanford, Yale, Princeton, Duke among others are not in a cosmopolitan area. But top students go there despite its "dull" location because of its prestige. BTW, I go to Stanford and I never found my school "dull" despite its distance from San Francisco and LA.

Don't get me wrong here. I really think that Cass is a good school. But let's be perfectly honest here. Warwick has the better reputation. Cass is not yet in the league of Warwick/UCL/LSE.
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oh well coventry! what an exciting 'village'! it is dull but not that dull as u admit! that is why half warwick goes clubbing in london over weekends!have you ever spoken to warwick students to see how some of them feel about the place?? Firstly, I never doubted the name of warwick! and if you can read....in my previous post i mentioned that you will get a top degree from warwick as well. so how can you tell things i never said?? Secondly, I did not say that Cass is more prestigious than Warwick. Cass is according to the guardian ranking of 2007 above LSE for undergraduate business studies but under warwick! so according to that ranking it has reached or is reaching the league of LSE...
you did not answer to my questions in the previous post, so thats why im repeating: A) what kind of undergraduate study in business and finance can u get at cambridge or imperial?B) nottingham and LSE's entry requirements for business are much lower than for cass, so how can it be better? and doesnt warwick ask for the same entry requirements as cass? for that subject? by the way I have heard that until now 5400 students have applied for all bus. courses at cass.

its not good to talk in general about top universities (including the US unis u mentiond and cambridge that has absolutely NO reputation for ug Finance AND BUSINESS subjects)..since the topic of the thread is to compare british institutions for their quality in business studies and where the overall student experience is better....
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Let me simplify my post:

1. Coventy is a city. Not a big one but certainly not a village. Of course, London is better. It's one of the best cities in the world. The point is, if you want to go to London, you can go there from Coventry. Access is not that hard and not that expensive either. But why would you party all the time when you're still a student. Going to a party is cool. But going to a party all the time won't be good for students. Do Cass students party all the time? Is that their mission of going to Cass over those more prestigious schools??? I hope not.


2. Warwick Business School vs Cass Business -- Warwick has the better reputation. Perhaps NOT necessairily has the better program than Cass, but certainly, in terms of branding, Warwick wins it over Cass.


3. LSE has:
A. BSc in Management
B. BSc Human Resource Management and Employment Relations
C. BSc Management Sciences

Those courses ask for at least AAB for A-Levels, the same with Cass BSc in Management. But for IB, LSE asks for 38 points while Cass asks for 35 points only. Not much of a difference, I know, but here's the thing. When one gets an offer from both schools, LSE would most likely win. You can check the enrollment yield of LSE is is higher than that of Cass. The same thing with Warwick vs Cass.


4. Nottingham asks for AAB as well. It has a better reputation as a university and has a global appeal.
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/business/ug/courses.html


5. Cambridge University -- has Management aside from Economics.
http://www.cam.ac.uk/admissions/unde...tud/index.html



Cass is according to the guardian ranking of 2007 above LSE
And you honestly believe that that's binding? Meaning, that Cass would always be ranked higher than LSE in every ranking? I even think that that ranking happened for the first time. And guardian is not as reliable as the Times University Guide.
http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/...sub=3&x=26&y=9



Business Studies
1. Oxford
2. LSE
3. Cambridge
4. Bath
5. Warwick
6. Nottingham / Aston
8. Lancaster
9. Manchester
10. King’s College
11. Imperial
12. Edinburgh
13. City

Entry Standards:
1. Oxford - 549
2. Strathclyde - 472
3. Warwick - 462
4. LSE - 461
5. Edinburgh
6. St. Andrews
7. Bath
8. Nottingham - 426
9. Southampton
10. Manchester - 413
11. UCL
12. Lancaster
13. –
14. –
15. –
16. –
17. –
18. –
19. –
20. –
21. City - 381


http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/...ject=BUISINESS
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1)how can u state that the guardian raking is not as reliable as the times??? do you have any proof? i have heard the contrary, that the times gets paid by certain unis to put them higher on the times university ranking and thus guardian is more reliable and neutral. and in addition, the times business ranking is misleading since imperial college has NO undergraduate business studies degrees....
nevertheless cass is considered one of the most prestigious business schools in the uk, with specialized degrees in finance, management and real estate etc ! and the position of the times is also not bad.

2)Besides that, I wonder how you did not mention the BSc in Management sciences at LSE where a usual offer is BBB to ABB....? since I am a UK student i do not care about IB..LSE's IB requirements are higher since they do not offer to many IB students a place..

http://www.lse.ac.uk/resources/under...ences/N201.htm

3) how can you claim that nottingham wants AAB??? the truth is that they want ABB...

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/business/ug/admiss.html


4) doesn't it ring a bell that Cass has become very popular and that 5400 applicants for all 500 places for 2008 entry is a record until now?

5) cass is also planning to cooperate with yale..since our new dean had also an appointment there.haven't u heard that cass cooperates with the Technical university of munich which is the best university in germany and with bocconi which is the best business school of italy??.so it must have an international reputation...oh please...warwick has some good cooperations but what cooperations does nottingham have?

6) I asked questions you have not answered or did not like to answer! like how good imperials business programme is or cambridge's. one of them is if you have spoken to ppl at warwick?? well, compared to london coventry is a village lol.. at cass people do not party all the time since there is no time during the week but at the weekends ppl go out partying, eating - i looove sushi, shopping and I also visit art galleries and go shopping sometimes. If you haven't heard there has been criticism of the perceived focus of the entertainment events toward first year undergraduates resident on campus. and that in the second and third year u do not live anymore on the campus but have to settle to coventry..how fun is that..but maybe some pple prefer that

7) i guess that being a student is about having fun, partying but also being active and ambitious to achieve something. what do you mean with the sentence 'But why would you party all the time when you're still a student' ???

8) another good business school must be aston!





Business and management studies
Covers business studies, management studies, finance, accounting, marketing, human resource management and business and administrative studies.

Institution Guardian score/100 Teaching score/10 Feedback score/10 Spend per student score/10 Student:staff ratio score/10 Job prospects score/10 Value added score/10 Entry score/10

1)Oxford 100.00 10 10 9 8 10
2)Warwick 70.60 10 5 10 8 10
3)Cass-city 68.40 9 6 9 6 10 9 8
4)Bristol 67.40 9 10 7 6 9
5)London School of Economics 66.60 6 8 10 5 10
6)St Andrews 65.50 10 9 6 8 6 10 9
7)Bath 64.30 6 2 7 5 10 10 9
http://browse.guardian.co.uk/educati...+studies&Go=Go
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