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Gender pay gap equates to 1.2 billion women working for nothing

" We show that EGI has only been improving slowly and that current aggregate EGI is equivalent to 1.2 billion women working for nothing. Moreover, this gap is expected to increase in coming decades. Instrumental variable estimates suggest that while increases in income reduce EGI, living standards will have to triple for equality to be achieved in countries such as Mexico or Turkey."

https://ideas.repec.org/p/lec/leecon/17-14.html

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So, someone has just discovered that there are other continents than North America and Europe.
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How do we expect less developed countries to follow suit when we aren't doing anything? Equal pay for equal work, salaries in companies need to be vetted for plain and simple, big discrepancies need to be justified, if not then levelled.
Original post by aware1
How do we expect less developed countries to follow suit when we aren't doing anything? Equal pay for equal work, salaries in companies need to be vetted for plain and simple, big discrepancies need to be justified, if not then levelled.


It's funny how authoritarian liberals are
Original post by Foo.mp3
Unadjusted aggregate figures are not indicative of the gender pay gap. Sorry love. #Economics101

In fact, UK women under 40 earn more, now, than their male counterparts, whereas men still rule @ remuneration into middle age and beyond


More girls study, and come middle age gender equality hasn't caught up yet. Because when that cohort started their career, it didn't exist. And of course if all the bosses are men, they will likely hire men to replace them.

Solution is to shift education focus back to helping boys. The other one will be solved just by time to an extent, though the other part I mentioned will be harder to address.

However, none of this negates the fact that women are still seen as inferior in the workplace - numerous studies show that in business meetings women are interrupted more, their ideas are ignored a lot more than those of male colleagues, and similar issues resulting from underlying, subconscious bias.
Original post by Underscore__
It's funny how authoritarian liberals are


Do you feel that it is ok to pay women less simply because they are women?
Original post by ByEeek
Do you feel that it is ok to pay women less simply because they are women?


No, do you have proof that's happening on a broad scale?
cue the "omg when does 77 cents equal a dollar"

You can only tell someone that they're wrong a certain number of times before it becomes boring.
Original post by Underscore__
No, do you have proof that's happening on a broad scale?


No. That will come out next year when all companies over 250 will have to publish their figures. So far we have seen public organisations like Birmingham City Council pay out millions in back pay and the latest revelation from the BBC was no real surprise. We can continue this conversation in April if you like?
Original post by yudothis
More girls study, and come middle age gender equality hasn't caught up yet. Because when that cohort started their career, it didn't exist. And of course if all the bosses are men, they will likely hire men to replace them.

Solution is to shift education focus back to helping boys. The other one will be solved just by time to an extent, though the other part I mentioned will be harder to address.

However, none of this negates the fact that women are still seen as inferior in the workplace - numerous studies show that in business meetings women are interrupted more, their ideas are ignored a lot more than those of male colleagues, and similar issues resulting from underlying, subconscious bias.


Why will bosses choose people to replace them? That's not how corporations work.

Original post by ByEeek
Do you feel that it is ok to pay women less simply because they are women?

No ones gives two sh*ts if they are a woman or a man, if a man can work better than a woman then he will get picked and vice versa, please stop with your misinformed bs, data which is blatantly adjusted by omitting certain factors and used to somehow get a payrise lol gtfo.
Original post by Underscore__
It's funny how authoritarian liberals are


gets boring after a while, like actually give them any power and they **** the bed and blame the people who gave them the power in the first place :h:
Original post by Samendra
Why will bosses choose people to replace them? That's not how corporations work.


No ones gives two sh*ts if they are a woman or a man, if a man can work better than a woman then he will get picked and vice versa, please stop with your misinformed bs, data which is blatantly adjusted by omitting certain factors and used to somehow get a payrise lol gtfo.


So are you suggesting that the fact that almost no women exist on the boards of FTSE 100 companies is because only the best people end up on the boards and those people happen to be men?

Which world do you live in?
Original post by ByEeek
No. That will come out next year when all companies over 250 will have to publish their figures. So far we have seen public organisations like Birmingham City Council pay out millions in back pay and the latest revelation from the BBC was no real surprise. We can continue this conversation in April if you like?


The BBC wasn't unequal pay for equal work, entertainment is results driven. Yes we can continue this in April but until then you have no real cause to believe men and women are being paid unequally for equal work
Original post by brimstone131
gets boring after a while, like actually give them any power and they **** the bed and blame the people who gave them the power in the first place :h:


I classify myself as a liberal person but I can't use that label because they've made it taboo.

Completely agree on the point about giving them power, I saw a funny video of a socialist student debating Venezuela with Tucker Carlson and he blamed everything other than socialism for the dire state the country is in.
Original post by Underscore__
The BBC wasn't unequal pay for equal work, entertainment is results driven. Yes we can continue this in April but until then you have no real cause to believe men and women are being paid unequally for equal work


There is plenty of evidence. However, you have constructed your own narrative. No amount of my posting evidence will make you think differently, so what is the point?
Original post by Underscore__
I classify myself as a liberal person but I can't use that label because they've made it taboo.

Completely agree on the point about giving them power, I saw a funny video of a socialist student debating Venezuela with Tucker Carlson and he blamed everything other than socialism for the dire state the country is in.


damn i watched that yesterday aha

A conservative myself, I fully support many liberal viewpoints and views, some more so than my natural conservative angles

but what makes a large part of the "liberal" identity today so weak and difficult to support is how a select few make it laughing stock, ie the student you referred to above, or be it russell brand saying 'i don't vote, but if you do vote you should vote labour'.... precious figuregeads of the liberal agenda like owen jones delievering reasonable arguments, but when pressured or strongly debated, cannot stand up to the heat and so instead back away labelling their adversaries as racist/sexist/classist/ etc etc....
Original post by ByEeek
Do you feel that it is ok to pay women less simply because they are women?


Why do you think that women are paid less because they are women? Why don't you consider they are paid less, because more men study engineering and other market demanding degress, rather than humanities, gender studies etc. and in ungraduate jobs, those which require more physical strenght are usually paid more, and men are physically stronger on average? Can you prove your point, or disprove the alternative?

I don't know if there is a pay gap or not, but I know that sexes differ, on average, in various parameters. For example men are on average physically stronger than women, women on average have better memory, and IQ distribution is different among male and female populations, with more women having IQ about average, and more men having IQ over and under the average level. There are many other differences, and this means that men and women naturally tend to, and always will tend to work more often in particular branches than in others, because even though there are many individuals with very outstanding qualities, averages tell us that large population will have some tendencies to work in some particular branches and differ in wages. So there will always be some differences in payments, unless you enforce equal payments regardless of abilities of individual people to produce income.
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Original post by ByEeek
There is plenty of evidence. However, you have constructed your own narrative. No amount of my posting evidence will make you think differently, so what is the point?


completely agree that the findings this week from the BBC were shocking, totally wrong..... but his point is that there is not one case of two presenters, one male and female, doing exactly the same workload being paid differently.... what is apparent is that the opportunities given to male presenters and actors are far greater, and the amount they are paid for these even more so
Original post by PTMalewski
Why do you think that women are payed less because they are women? Why don't you consider they are payed less, because more men study engineering and other market demanding degress, and in unskilled jobs those which require more physical strenght are usually payed more, and men are physically stronger on average?


Yes. Quite simply. If we live in an equal society, which we don't, if you took a random selection of working men and a random selection of working women and added up how much they earned, we should see them earn the same. And if we are going to look at meritocracy, women and girls consistently out perform men and boys in our education system yet seem to fail so badly in work.

Yes, women look after children, but that does not rot their brain. I can think of any number of incompetent men who earn vastly more than much more able women in lower positions who can not progress because they are held back.

I find it interesting that it is men on this forum who are pretending the pay gap is some fictional idea that is made up by some form of conspiracy. It really isn't. My wife has experienced it first hand.
Original post by ByEeek

I find it interesting that it is men on this forum who are pretending the pay gap is some fictional idea that is made up by some form of conspiracy. It really isn't. My wife has experienced it first hand.


It was a man who made the thread :colonhash:

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