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    " We show that EGI has only been improving slowly and that current aggregate EGI is equivalent to 1.2 billion women working for nothing. Moreover, this gap is expected to increase in coming decades. Instrumental variable estimates suggest that while increases in income reduce EGI, living standards will have to triple for equality to be achieved in countries such as Mexico or Turkey."

    https://ideas.repec.org/p/lec/leecon/17-14.html

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    So, someone has just discovered that there are other continents than North America and Europe.
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    How do we expect less developed countries to follow suit when we aren't doing anything? Equal pay for equal work, salaries in companies need to be vetted for plain and simple, big discrepancies need to be justified, if not then levelled.
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    (Original post by aware1)
    How do we expect less developed countries to follow suit when we aren't doing anything? Equal pay for equal work, salaries in companies need to be vetted for plain and simple, big discrepancies need to be justified, if not then levelled.
    It's funny how authoritarian liberals are
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    Unadjusted aggregate figures are not indicative of the gender pay gap. In fact, UK women under 40 earn more, now, than their male counterparts, whereas men still rule remuneration into middle age and beyond. It is illegal to pay differently for the same work
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Unadjusted aggregate figures are not indicative of the gender pay gap. Sorry love. #Economics101

    In fact, UK women under 40 earn more, now, than their male counterparts, whereas men still rule @ remuneration into middle age and beyond
    More girls study, and come middle age gender equality hasn't caught up yet. Because when that cohort started their career, it didn't exist. And of course if all the bosses are men, they will likely hire men to replace them.

    Solution is to shift education focus back to helping boys. The other one will be solved just by time to an extent, though the other part I mentioned will be harder to address.

    However, none of this negates the fact that women are still seen as inferior in the workplace - numerous studies show that in business meetings women are interrupted more, their ideas are ignored a lot more than those of male colleagues, and similar issues resulting from underlying, subconscious bias.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    It's funny how authoritarian liberals are
    Do you feel that it is ok to pay women less simply because they are women?
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Do you feel that it is ok to pay women less simply because they are women?
    No, do you have proof that's happening on a broad scale?
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    cue the "omg when does 77 cents equal a dollar"

    You can only tell someone that they're wrong a certain number of times before it becomes boring.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    No, do you have proof that's happening on a broad scale?
    No. That will come out next year when all companies over 250 will have to publish their figures. So far we have seen public organisations like Birmingham City Council pay out millions in back pay and the latest revelation from the BBC was no real surprise. We can continue this conversation in April if you like?
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    More girls study, and come middle age gender equality hasn't caught up yet. Because when that cohort started their career, it didn't exist. And of course if all the bosses are men, they will likely hire men to replace them.

    Solution is to shift education focus back to helping boys. The other one will be solved just by time to an extent, though the other part I mentioned will be harder to address.

    However, none of this negates the fact that women are still seen as inferior in the workplace - numerous studies show that in business meetings women are interrupted more, their ideas are ignored a lot more than those of male colleagues, and similar issues resulting from underlying, subconscious bias.
    Why will bosses choose people to replace them? That's not how corporations work.

    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Do you feel that it is ok to pay women less simply because they are women?
    No ones gives two sh*ts if they are a woman or a man, if a man can work better than a woman then he will get picked and vice versa, please stop with your misinformed bs, data which is blatantly adjusted by omitting certain factors and used to somehow get a payrise lol gtfo.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    It's funny how authoritarian liberals are
    gets boring after a while, like actually give them any power and they **** the bed and blame the people who gave them the power in the first place
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    (Original post by Samendra)
    Why will bosses choose people to replace them? That's not how corporations work.


    No ones gives two sh*ts if they are a woman or a man, if a man can work better than a woman then he will get picked and vice versa, please stop with your misinformed bs, data which is blatantly adjusted by omitting certain factors and used to somehow get a payrise lol gtfo.
    So are you suggesting that the fact that almost no women exist on the boards of FTSE 100 companies is because only the best people end up on the boards and those people happen to be men?

    Which world do you live in?
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    More girls study
    Was commenting on comparable incomes of individual members of different sexes (e.g. averaged), not totals for each gender

    of course if all the bosses are men, they will likely hire men to replace them
    There is an element of this, for sure, still something of a man's world in that respect

    women are still seen as inferior in the workplace - numerous studies show that in business meetings women are interrupted more, their ideas are ignored a lot more than those of male colleagues, and similar issues resulting from underlying, subconscious bias
    A lot of it is semi-subconscious, and unfortunately a lot of it is also based on empirical observations and the attitudes and behaviour of people (of both sexes) in society more broadly, including but by no means limited to self-limiting beliefs on the female side

    The truth is, the sexes aren't the same, or equal, we each have our respective strengths, and women are not biologically programmed to 'go after it' so to speak, in the way that we males are: to deny this is to deny some pretty basic biology/human physiology, and to go down that road, as so-called progressives are so keen to do, is to invite all manner of social/psychological, cultural, economic, and political problems. Pragmatic egalitarianism is the way forward :yy:
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    No. That will come out next year when all companies over 250 will have to publish their figures. So far we have seen public organisations like Birmingham City Council pay out millions in back pay and the latest revelation from the BBC was no real surprise. We can continue this conversation in April if you like?
    The BBC wasn't unequal pay for equal work, entertainment is results driven. Yes we can continue this in April but until then you have no real cause to believe men and women are being paid unequally for equal work
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    (Original post by brimstone131)
    gets boring after a while, like actually give them any power and they **** the bed and blame the people who gave them the power in the first place
    I classify myself as a liberal person but I can't use that label because they've made it taboo.

    Completely agree on the point about giving them power, I saw a funny video of a socialist student debating Venezuela with Tucker Carlson and he blamed everything other than socialism for the dire state the country is in.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    The BBC wasn't unequal pay for equal work, entertainment is results driven. Yes we can continue this in April but until then you have no real cause to believe men and women are being paid unequally for equal work
    There is plenty of evidence. However, you have constructed your own narrative. No amount of my posting evidence will make you think differently, so what is the point?
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    I classify myself as a liberal person but I can't use that label because they've made it taboo.

    Completely agree on the point about giving them power, I saw a funny video of a socialist student debating Venezuela with Tucker Carlson and he blamed everything other than socialism for the dire state the country is in.
    damn i watched that yesterday aha

    A conservative myself, I fully support many liberal viewpoints and views, some more so than my natural conservative angles

    but what makes a large part of the "liberal" identity today so weak and difficult to support is how a select few make it laughing stock, ie the student you referred to above, or be it russell brand saying 'i don't vote, but if you do vote you should vote labour'.... precious figuregeads of the liberal agenda like owen jones delievering reasonable arguments, but when pressured or strongly debated, cannot stand up to the heat and so instead back away labelling their adversaries as racist/sexist/classist/ etc etc....
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Do you feel that it is ok to pay women less simply because they are women?
    Why do you think that women are paid less because they are women? Why don't you consider they are paid less, because more men study engineering and other market demanding degress, rather than humanities, gender studies etc. and in ungraduate jobs, those which require more physical strenght are usually paid more, and men are physically stronger on average? Can you prove your point, or disprove the alternative?

    I don't know if there is a pay gap or not, but I know that sexes differ, on average, in various parameters. For example men are on average physically stronger than women, women on average have better memory, and IQ distribution is different among male and female populations, with more women having IQ about average, and more men having IQ over and under the average level. There are many other differences, and this means that men and women naturally tend to, and always will tend to work more often in particular branches than in others, because even though there are many individuals with very outstanding qualities, averages tell us that large population will have some tendencies to work in some particular branches and differ in wages. So there will always be some differences in payments, unless you enforce equal payments regardless of abilities of individual people to produce income.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    There is plenty of evidence. However, you have constructed your own narrative. No amount of my posting evidence will make you think differently, so what is the point?
    completely agree that the findings this week from the BBC were shocking, totally wrong..... but his point is that there is not one case of two presenters, one male and female, doing exactly the same workload being paid differently.... what is apparent is that the opportunities given to male presenters and actors are far greater, and the amount they are paid for these even more so
 
 
 
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