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    (Original post by yudothis)
    And what makes a career that puts you into contention for the upper jobs that men still dominate?
    your question doesnt make sense, but anyway men dominate upper jobs because more men apply for those jobs as women are just not interested, as I said any good business mind will put the person most capable at the healm no one cares what gender you are, if you can produce the results you get promoted.
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    (Original post by Samendra)
    your question doesnt make sense, but anyway men dominate upper jobs because more men apply for those jobs as women are just not interested, as I said any good business mind will put the person most capable at the healm no one cares what gender you are, if you can produce the results you get promoted.
    if you can produce the results you get promoted

    Join the real world for a few years
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    Earnings gap = real
    Pay gap = bull****

    As long as we're not including rural and poor areas in Africa or South America of course, but again that's down to men being more likely to work in those communities, as they are more suited to the harsh labour (ie. Farming) than the women. Since those places are very underdeveloped, the traditional woman stays at home while man works and hunts is necessary.
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    (Original post by PTMalewski)
    Men and women are slighly different and they specialise in different work.
    But if that were the case, surely one would find some organisations where women were being paid more than men no?
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    (Original post by Samendra)
    your question doesnt make sense, but anyway men dominate upper jobs because more men apply for those jobs as women are just not interested, as I said any good business mind will put the person most capable at the healm no one cares what gender you are, if you can produce the results you get promoted.
    This is entirely correct. A friends mother of mine applied to a very good and important job in a male dominated field. 250 or so applied for the job, only 23 of those who applied were women

    Edit: She got the job, so again they hire for ability not gender
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    i don't have enough money in the bank to reply
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    But if that were the case, surely one would find some organisations where women were being paid more than men no?
    Okay, lets say that we look at physical jobs, and look for a branch in which women earn more than men. I guess that women making, let's say, ferrite memory for computers were earning more than guys carring bricks on their back. The question is: was there enough ferrite memory factories in the country to compensate for lower wages of women doing easier works than many carrying bricks on their backs?
    Economy is a very complicated subject, we cannot predict a trend picking a couple of examples. And there are many factors whic must be taken into account. For example: most of men and women can wash the floor, but most of women will not be as efficient in carrying bricks on their backs as men, because men are on average physically stronger. So if you have 100 candidates for the job of washing floors, you have only 50 canditates for carrying bricks. Supply for strong workers is 50% smaller, so their job will be more expensive, according to the law of supply and demand.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    if you can produce the results you get promoted

    Join the real world for a few years
    I have joined the real world, i dont know why your complaining when top firms host woman only schemes to get woman interested and still the numbers are low, if that doesn't prove to you that woman are not interested in top end jobs i dont know what will. Keep up with the excuses
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    (Original post by Samendra)
    I have joined the real world, i dont know why your complaining when top firms host woman only schemes to get woman interested and still the numbers are low, if that doesn't prove to you that woman are not interested in top end jobs i dont know what will. Keep up with the excuses
    I am not a woman. Nor am I unsuccessful. But thanks for your concern.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Is that actually true? Or is is that women don't want to work with chauvinistic, egotistical, alpha males in their den? Same goes for politics. Parliament opens for business at 12pm but can finish at midnight. What sort of working hours are those? They are working hours that suit men. That is what they are. No wonder women don't want to go into politics.

    But more to the point - have you actually asked women why they don't want to work in finance? You are doing that typical ignorant male thing or dictating what women are interested in or not.
    Those are standard working hours for high paying jobs, you want high pay you are going to have to work for longer, take investment banking they work an average of 80+ hours a week inc weekends and they get paid as per their hard work. Those hours you mentioned is when parliament is most busy and has always done business at you cant expect to change traditions just to suit you.
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    (Original post by PTMalewski)
    Okay, lets say that we look at physical jobs, and look for a branch in which women earn more than men. I guess that women making, let's say, ferrite memory for computers were earning more than guys carring bricks on their back. The question is: was there enough ferrite memory factories in the country to compensate for lower wages of women doing easier works than many carrying bricks on their backs?
    Economy is a very complicated subject, we cannot predict a trend picking a couple of examples. And there are many factors whic must be taken into account. For example: most of men and women can wash the floor, but most of women will not be as efficient in carrying bricks on their backs as men, because men are on average physically stronger. So if you have 100 candidates for the job of washing floors, you have only 50 canditates for carrying bricks. Supply for strong workers is 50% smaller, so their job will be more expensive, according to the law of supply and demand.
    I'm not looking at physical jobs. I am looking at all jobs. There is a pay gap and there shouldn't be. So firstly one needs to ask why there is a pay gap. And if the answer is that women simply don't end up in higher paid jobs, one has to ask the question why? Because there is no good reason why women should be paid less. They are equally able, physically, mentally and in skills. It should all balance out. In an equal society with equal opportunity, women should be paid the same as men on average with examples of men getting paid more than women and women getting paid more than men.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I'm not looking at physical jobs. I am looking at all jobs. There is a pay gap and there shouldn't be. So firstly one needs to ask why there is a pay gap. And if the answer is that women simply don't end up in higher paid jobs, one has to ask the question why? Because there is no good reason why women should be paid less. They are equally able, physically, mentally and in skills. It should all balance out. In an equal society with equal opportunity, women should be paid the same as men on average with examples of men getting paid more than women and women getting paid more than men.
    Get this through your head women dont end up in high paying careers because they do not apply literally google the stats before you comment. Really getting tired of women trying to get a pay rise for going into low paying careers.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I'm not looking at physical jobs. I am looking at all jobs. There is a pay gap and there shouldn't be. So firstly one needs to ask why there is a pay gap. And if the answer is that women simply don't end up in higher paid jobs, one has to ask the question why? Because there is no good reason why women should be paid less. They are equally able, physically, mentally and in skills. It should all balance out. In an equal society with equal opportunity, women should be paid the same as men on average with examples of men getting paid more than women and women getting paid more than men.
    You want it all equal but you're not willing to compare the pay between males and females equally.

    It's really daft how people are serious about comparing the salary of a female who works in retail on a till to a male who's a banker for example.
    This myth of a wage gap is only supported by twisted statistics.

    Compare people working the same role in the same field and you'll see there is either no gap or a very small gap which would be caused by different companies have different base salaries
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I'm not looking at physical jobs. I am looking at all jobs. There is a pay gap and there shouldn't be.
    It was just an example to make you understand the problem.

    (Original post by ByEeek)
    And if the answer is that women simply don't end up in higher paid jobs, one has to ask the question why?
    Another example, why so many women and so little men (practically no men) work in nursery schools? Is this a result of conspiracy, or are they just better suited than men to work with little children?

    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Because there is no good reason why women should be paid less. They are equally able, physically, mentally and in skills. It should all balance out. In an equal society with equal opportunity, women should be paid the same as men on average with examples of men getting paid more than women and women getting paid more than men.
    You still don't understand. Men and women have slightly different abilities on average. Women more often have average IQ, while men more often have IQ lower than average and higher than average. Women have better memory, they see more colours. Men are physically stronger and have better space orientation. That is on average. This means that women and men will always specialise in slightly different jobs on average and it may happen that one of the genders will earn less. Because for example: presume we have an economy that has let's say 1000 different branches. In all but two, men and women are paid equally (that is impossible, but I want this example to be simple and clear). Lets say that women are being paid better in branch 'X' and men are being paid better in branch 'Y'. Now. If more people work in branch X, for exampe because the country has more companies from branch X, then there will be geneder pay gap in favor of women. Otherwise there will be pay gap in favor of men.

    Do you see? Even in a perfect meritocracy, due to slight gender differences, and the fact that different amounts of people work in different branches, it may turn that there will be a gender gap, because people of one gender will always a bit more often pick those jobs which give bigger or lower income, and idividuals which do not fit to the averages cannot compensate this, because there is too little of them and they face counter-compensaton from the individuals inferior to the average values.
    And even if there are branches in which some gender earns more than other, because they are more efficient in this jobs, lets say, I don't know, that women are more efficient in maths and earn more in this field, there may be too little well payed jobs for mathematicians to compensate for the gap.

    And let's state this clear: I'm not saying that there isn't a gap caused by discrimination. I don't know this. I only say, that you cannot prove there is such gap, using your method, because you ignore lots of important factors.
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    At the risk of sounding rude, here's my opinion on a similar topic, Gender Quotas.

    If you have 2 candidates for a job, one man, one woman, one woman had more qualifications and skills than the man, you hire the woman, right?

    If you have 2 candidates for a job, one man, one woman, instead, the man had more qualifications and skills than the woman, do you still hire the woman??

    Most of these companies are Private, meaning they work for a PROFIT, by hiring less skilled individuals just because they tick a certain box may make you look 'diverse' but in actuality it's just a showing of ignorance and in a sense, reverse discrimination to those who work hard but get rejected because they don't fit a certain quota. You look diverse but you'll also lose your profits, sick.

    It doesn't matter what you are, work hard, and you'll make it, you can't expect a free pass due to your genitalia.
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    When it comes to Gender Pay Gaps on the BBC, I will say what I said on a similar thread

    1) Viewership varies, ratings vary, and thus pay varies, more people watch Match of the Day, than say, another show, no matter who's hosting this, thus, people like Gary Lineker, are likely to earn more.

    2) Based on high levels of viewership, likelihoods of sponsorship also go up too, increasing pay further.

    3) There were still dudes who were paid less than some of the women on the list.

    4) £450,000 doesn't look like oppression to me, what it DOES look like is a nice holiday home in the Maldives and a very VERY nice looking savings fund.

    5) Shouldn't we be focusing on other countries where women aren't paid...at all?
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    The logic that male employers hire men because they're sexist is silly. If you're an employer and you can get away with paying women less, who get better grades than men and go further in higher education, why wouldn't you hire the woman who is more highly skilled, cheaper and can make you a better profit? Anyone who thinks employers (who give far more of their time to their jobs than their employees 99% of the time) wouldn't do that aren't giving these people enough credit. And it's typical of students like us who aren't quite skilled enough yet to get high paying, high responsibility jobs to complain about things like this.

    Edit: The reason that women don't get hired to demanding high paying jobs is because like 99% of men, they're smart enough not to do them. Most of the jobs that people complain women aren't doing are either physically dangerous for women to do, or something that only the smallest percentage of the craziest human beings who want to give their free-time away to work want to do. Men don't even want those jobs lol.
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    (Original post by Samendra)
    Get this through your head women dont end up in high paying careers because they do not apply literally google the stats before you comment. Really getting tired of women trying to get a pay rise for going into low paying careers.
    So why don't they apply? Do you not wonder why women choose not to be politicians? Or work in finance? Or become directors of companies? Such places are the domain of men. Do you not think some women might be put off? Similarly in my own field of computing? Why is it so male dominated when classes of Y7 kids see girls engaged and fascinated in computing? What happens between Year 7 in school and university? Because I can tell you now, it isn't anything to do with lack of ability.
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    (Original post by PTMalewski)
    Is this a result of conspiracy, or are they just better suited than men to work with little children?
    How patronising. I suppose you will be telling me next that house work is well suited to women?

    This has nothing to do with the suitability of jobs. Women are equal to men in ability, possibly even more able. It is however a good question to ask why so few men take up working in nursery and primary education in the same way that it is a good question to ask why so few women work in engineering. But suitability has nothing to do with it.

    As a society we should be encouraging men to go into nursery and primary education to act as role models to our young children, just as we should be encouraging women into engineering to provide inputs into solutions. I find it bizarre that consumer items used by women are designed and built by men. What an opportunity for someone who can bring women into the design of cutting edge technology?
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    So why don't they apply? Do you not wonder why women choose not to be politicians? Or work in finance? Or become directors of companies? Such places are the domain of men. Do you not think some women might be put off? Similarly in my own field of computing? Why is it so male dominated when classes of Y7 kids see girls engaged and fascinated in computing? What happens between Year 7 in school and university? Because I can tell you now, it isn't anything to do with lack of ability.
    lol they become uninterested simple as look at the no girls studying compsci at uni and then look at the no guys you can see the difference there, girls do go into every field but just not many. The majority of girls become teachers, nurses or secretaries im not making this up, look up the stats.
 
 
 
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