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    (Original post by JVoorhees)
    if a left wing government had done this it wouldn't be a problem.
    Left wing or moderate governments don't ban this sort of thing which is why it isn't an issue. The thing I find interesting is that there wasn't a right wing backlash when it was allowed.

    I find it so sad that so many people are fearful of people who are a bit different. Danger in this world ain't coming from the lgbt community.
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    Me thinks trump forgot something...

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    The irony is that chump, as I refer to him since he has earned such a name, NEVER served in the U.S. military. Now, my dad did his twenty years and retired, so I grew up in a military family. Then I was in the Army reserves. But chump, his grandfather, who was an immigrant, never served, chump's father, Fred, never served, chump got 5 medical deferrals and used all his wealth to avoid serving, and none of chump's children, including of course, chump,jr., have served. Yet, he wants to tell those who are different than what he wants, who are volunteers-this is a volunteer force of men and woman, of straight, gay, lesbian, trans-sexual and transgender persons who are voluntarily serving as their civic duty-you want to chase those who have more heart and courage and grit than you (chump) your ancestry (chump's ancestry) or your children (chump's children) have never shown?

    Hypocrisy, but this is nothing new from resident chump, and I am rather enjoying the slow burn against his administration, of facts coming out on a daily basis, as a prelude to the big reveals dropping, in due time. We a person engages in cronyism, well, you only end up setting up your own family members for a big fall right along with you, in an investigation that leading experts say dwarfs, already, the height of The Watergate Investigations.

    (Original post by chelseadagg3r)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40729996

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    Let's get this back to basics instead of all the trite Trump bashing and emoting about the tiny number of transgender individuals within the US and U.K. Militaries.

    There is no civil right to serve in either country's armed forces. And all attempts to create one must be resolutely resisted.

    The prerequisite for admission is, and must always be, how efficient, how effective the recruit will be, and how they will affect the wider organisation. The old and the young are not enlisted in national defence, and neither are those with physical disabilities.

    I am not saying that transgender people are disabled, but I am saying there are potential costs and disruptive complexities which make their membership less efficient and less effective for the body as a whole.

    Where do you guys go after this? What new insanity? Will the next campaign be for blind supersonic fighter pilots? On the grounds that the fact that they can't enlist is discriminatory? Blindest?

    Give us all a break. Time to draw a line in the sand. Enough already.

    Thank God that Trump at least is facing you all down. Calling out all your absurd, narcissistic, PC identity politics. Your utter bullish it. Good for him.
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    Let's get this back to basics instead of all the trite Trump bashing and emoting about the tiny number of transgender individuals within the US and U.K. Militaries.

    There is no civil right to serve in either country's armed forces. And all attempts to create one must be resolutely resisted.

    The prerequisite for admission is, and must always be, how efficient, how effective the recruit will be, and how they will affect the wider organisation. The old and the young are not enlisted in national defence, and neither are those with physical disabilities.

    I am not saying that transgender people are disabled, but I am saying there are potential costs and disruptive complexities which make their membership less efficient and less effective for the body as a whole.

    Where do you guys go after this? What new insanity? Will the next campaign be for blind supersonic fighter pilots? On the grounds that the fact that they can't enlist is discriminatory? Blindest?

    Give us all a break. Time to draw a line in the sand. Enough already.

    Thank God that Trump at least is facing you all down. Calling out all your absurd, narcissistic, PC identity politics. Your utter bullish it. Good for him.
    Or Trump could have simply cut down on the military's spending of Viagra?
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    (Original post by shameful_burrito)
    He's secretly jealous of them, mark my words

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    Good to know the leader of the free world is thinking about the really important issues.This is what happens when you elect a reality tv star.
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    The WHO considers Gender Dysphoria to be a mental illness. I don't know if any of you know much about the US Military but if you are mentally ill you will get medically discharged. So why would the US recruit those with this mental illness?

    You can't decide you're gender, you are born a male or female. The gender of you're birth is you're gender you can't change it! Claiming you can goes against basic biology.

    I'm not saying that men or women can't dress up as the opposite sex, of course you can you should have the freedom to do so. Whilst it may seem strange to me, my opinion doesn't matter, you should be able to dress and act as you please that is what freedom means. But to actually be the opposite gender defies logic and science.
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    (Original post by PolPot)
    The WHO considers Gender Dysphoria to be a mental illness. I don't know if any of you know much about the US Military but if you are mentally ill you will get medically discharged. So why would the US recruit those with this mental illness?

    You can't decide you're gender, you are born a male or female. The gender of you're birth is you're gender you can't change it! Claiming you can goes against basic biology.

    I'm not saying that men or women can't dress up as the opposite sex, of course you can you should have the freedom to do so. Whilst it may seem strange to me, my opinion doesn't matter, you should be able to dress and act as you please that is what freedom means. But to actually be the opposite gender defies logic and science.
    So just to clarify, are you talking about gender or sex?
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    (Original post by Moonstruck16)
    So just to clarify, are you talking about gender or sex?
    They are the same thing. I guess you believe this new myth that gender is a social thing?
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    (Original post by PolPot)
    They are the same thing. I guess you believe this new myth that gender is a social thing?
    I'm just going by the definitions.
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    (Original post by Moonstruck16)
    I'm just going by the definitions.
    Thats how Sociologists define it thats not true, they say gender is a social construct. So lets say Gender is a "Social Construct".

    Because Gender is a "Social Construct" doesn't mean it can be changed As the other side says (as their only argument) is that gender is a social construct. Let's say, for argument's sake, that argument is true. As a social construct, men are supposed to act manly, while women are expected to act feminine, but the other arguments say that this can be changed. Yet age is also a social construct, but you cannot change your age. It makes no sense to bend the rules only when it supports your argument. Like age, gender may be a "social construct," but that doesn't mean it can change.
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    (Original post by PolPot)
    Thats how Sociologists define it thats not true, they say gender is a social construct. So lets say Gender is a "Social Construct".

    Because Gender is a "Social Construct" doesn't mean it can be changed As the other side says (as their only argument) is that gender is a social construct. Let's say, for argument's sake, that argument is true. As a social construct, men are supposed to act manly, while women are expected to act feminine, but the other arguments say that this can be changed. Yet age is also a social construct, but you cannot change your age. It makes no sense to bend the rules only when it supports your argument. Like age, gender may be a "social construct," but that doesn't mean it can change.
    You may think this is right, the 'other side' will think you're wrong and vice versa. All just talk really.
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    (Original post by PolPot)
    The WHO considers Gender Dysphoria to be a mental illness. I don't know if any of you know much about the US Military but if you are mentally ill you will get medically discharged. So why would the US recruit those with this mental illness?

    You can't decide you're gender, you are born a male or female. The gender of you're birth is you're gender you can't change it! Claiming you can goes against basic biology.

    I'm not saying that men or women can't dress up as the opposite sex, of course you can you should have the freedom to do so. Whilst it may seem strange to me, my opinion doesn't matter, you should be able to dress and act as you please that is what freedom means. But to actually be the opposite gender defies logic and science.
    That's fine, but that's not the reason(s) given for the ban.

    The reasons given make little to no sense at all when scrutinised rationally.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    That's fine, but that's not the reason(s) given for the ban.

    The reasons given make little to no sense at all when scrutinised rationally.
    It makes perfect sense. If troops can get medically discharged for having a mental illness why would the military recruit those that are mentally ill?
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    (Original post by PolPot)
    It makes perfect sense. If troops can get medically discharged for having a mental illness why would the military recruit those that are mentally ill?
    I'm not arguing whether or not your reasons make sense. I'm pointing out the fact that those are not the reasons the US Commander in chief has given.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    I'm not arguing whether or not your reasons make sense. I'm pointing out the fact that those are not the reasons the US Commander in chief has given.
    True but my point still stands. Its a general point not just US abroad too.
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    (Original post by PolPot)
    True but my point still stands. Its a general point not just US abroad too.
    In your opinion your point stands.

    If you look at the literature available to prospective candidates for the UK armed forces, it says how applicants will be considered in a case by case basis:

    Medical conditions that preclude entry - RAF
    "Gender dysphoria if untreated is a bar to entry; treated gender dysphoria may be acceptable depending upon the current medical and surgical treatment stage and will be assessed on a case by case basis "
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    In your opinion your point stands.

    If you look at the literature available to prospective candidates for the UK armed forces, it says how applicants will be considered in a case by case basis:

    Medical conditions that preclude entry - RAF
    "Gender dysphoria if untreated is a bar to entry; treated gender dysphoria may be acceptable depending upon the current medical and surgical treatment stage and will be assessed on a case by case basis "
    You're missing my point. As I wrote in an earlier post on the Thread you cant decide you're gender. You must be mentally ill to think you are the gender you're not. I'm talking about what the policy should be not what it is.
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    (Original post by PolPot)
    You're missing my point. As I wrote in an earlier post on the Thread you cant decide you're gender. You must be mentally ill to think you are the gender you're not. I'm talking about what the policy should be not what it is.
    And I'm showing you what both medical and military professionals have decided it is. I trust their opinion far more than yours.
 
 
 
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