Would you ever wear real fur?

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Butchers don't generally kill animals, they butcher the meat.

This is about the taking of a life for you own enjoyment. In modern life it is entirely possible to go without eating meat and still live have a healthy diet. But you make the choice to eat meat, a product of death. If you aren't prepared to take a life why should you be able to benefit from it?

Somebody has to kill it.

Ill let you do it, you've got more balls than me :biggrin:

I tear up from seeing animals die from afar so I would be horrific if I had to do it xD

Reply 21

Bungalow Bill

Original post by Spock's Socks

As part of TSR's Pet and Animal week, today's discussion is about fur and whether you would would ever wear real fur and why.

Do you think its ok to use real fur for fashion garments or should it only be used for survival clothing in colder climates where people do not have access to other resources of warm clothing or should fur only ever be worn on the actual animal?

Tell us your thoughts on the subject

Yes.

It's a bit stupid that people won't wear real fur yet they will wear real leather.

Reply 22

Meany Pie

Original post by Kraggor

Ill let you do it, you've got more balls than me :biggrin:

I tear up from seeing animals die from afar so I would be horrific if I had to do it xD

Just shoot it from afar, problem solved :h:

Reply 23

Kraggor

Original post by Meany Pie

Just shoot it from afar, problem solved :h:

oml so savage, I couldnt kill any of the cute things :hugs:

tbh you are seeming more like then animal :tongue:

Maybe it's time... :backstab:

Reply 24

Sammylou40

Original post by Meany Pie

@Meany Pie
Yes. I'm absolutely perfectly happy to let the abattoir and the butcher prepare my meat for me
I have plenty to do already do preparing my own meat doesn't fit on the list

Reply 25

Meany Pie

Original post by Kraggor

oml so savage, I couldnt kill any of the cute things :hugs:

tbh you are seeming more like then animal :tongue:

Maybe it's time... :backstab:

Shall we find something ugly for you instead, camels are pretty ugly. Make a good coat as well :h:

We are all animals.

Reply 26

Moura

Original post by Spock's Socks

It is tricky. I am vegetarian and try to be as vegan as possible...

I generally stick buy the rule I would never buy new fur, but if there were a vintage garment like a coat in a charity shop with fur on, I wouldn't be opposed to buying it. If someone gave me something with fur on I would accept it as long as it hadn't been bought specifically for me... i.e. it was theirs for several years and it didn't fit anymore or it was vintage etc. If they bought it new from a shop for me I'd ask them to return it. I do disagree with fur in fashion though and think the practise should be banned. There's plenty of realistic look a likes now. I don't know much about cold weather because I have never needed fur or down when I'm in the mountains... if there isn't anything as warm then I guess it's ok for survival. Indigenous groups like Inuits shouldn't have restrictions as long as they are humane. I try to do the same with leather too.

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Reply 27

the bear

fur garments are fine with me :h:

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Reply 28

Kraggor

Original post by Meany Pie

Shall we find something ugly for you instead, camels are pretty ugly. Make a good coat as well :h:

We are all animals.

eww I dont want to be looking ugly, I'm perfectly fine with your coat thanks :h:

This is indeed true, all got a bit of animal inside of us :sexface:

though I think im more panda :colondollar:

Reply 29

Moura

Original post by Meany Pie

It is of my opinion that if someone cannot kill their own meal then they should not be eating it.

Do you kill your own animals?

Reply 30

Meany Pie

Original post by Kraggor

eww I dont want to be looking ugly, I'm perfectly fine with your coat thanks :h:

This is indeed true, all got a bit of animal inside of us :sexface:

though I think im more panda :colondollar:

We can shoot them instead, they have a lovely fur on them :h:

Reply 31

Kraggor

Original post by Meany Pie

We can shoot them instead, they have a lovely fur on them :h:

You shoot any panda! I will shoot you and be making you into a coat instead :angry:

At least we will have one less panda murderer and Id look good then too :h:

Reply 32

Moura

Original post by Sammylou40

@Meany Pie
Why? I don't do my own plumbing, gas installation, electrical work. I didn't build my own house
I make a lot of my own clothes but I don't spin the wool or weave the cloth. I grow some veg but buy a lot as well as buying fruit. I don't catch my own fish or bake my own bread
Why shouldn't a butcher do it?

Because animals aren't inanimate objects being fixed around the house, they are living beings being slaughtered? I actually don't agree that you should be able to kill it to eat it... because you should have to be a trained professional to cause the least suffering possible... but those two things are not comparable.

I think a better idea would be you have to be involved in its upbringing in some way or everyone should take a trip to a slaughter house. People should behave like normal humans and eat meat FAR less regularly.

Reply 33

Meany Pie

Original post by Moura

Do you kill your own animals?

I don't work in a slaughter house, but I do kill and butcher a few of the animals I eat. Mostly rabbits and pheasants.

Reply 34

Moura

Original post by Dez

Definitely debatable, personally I don't have an opinion on the matter.

I don't think I've ever seen vegan motorcycle gear on sale anywhere (excluding textile gear of course). I don't know how tough the material is, motorcycle leathers need to be a lot stronger than normal leather clothing, so it's possible vegan leather just isn't suitable. But I would be fine with buying vegan leather if it was on offer and provided the same level of safety.

Original post by Sammylou40

As a fellow biker, I agree. Don't see man made doing the job
Don't have a problem with leather. It's a by product for a start. The whole animal is used
Fur is a little different. It's not ethical to leave so much waste

There is actually bike gear made from kevlar, the same stuff that is used in bulletproof vests. I'm sure there's other options too. People just don't look into these things, but they do exist.
Leather isn't necessarily a by-product since it's often not the same cows that are being raised for meat that have their skins used for leather.

Reply 35

Moura

Original post by Meany Pie

I don't work in a slaughter house, but I do kill and butcher a few of the animals I eat. Mostly rabbits and pheasants.

I think if you're going to throw around the statement that you have to be able to kill the animal in order to eat it, you should either be eating game exclusively or working in a slaughter house. Shooting animals isn't the issue, it's the slaughter houses that are. 99% of people would probably get PTSD from killing an animal in a slaughter house... or even just witnessing it/hearing it... just read some accounts from people on google. Far, far less (including myself, a vegetarian) would have an issue with shooting an animal that has spent its life being free then being shot and (hopefully) dying quickly with minimal stress.

Reply 36

Meany Pie

Original post by Moura

Able is the operative word here. I am able to kill my own meat, if someone said to me kill that cow I would not have any issues in doing so.

I have been to slaughterhouses plenty of times and seen the process. I have killed animals with my bare hands when necessary. It really doesn't bother me.

I take issue with people who would never kill an animal but are happy for others to do it for their benefit.

Reply 37

Moura

Original post by Meany Pie

You're able to shoot an rabbit in a field... you are not able to kill a cow in an abattoir. Very big difference. If you do end up being able to do that then I can't say I don't think it's disgusting but I guess at least you stick to your convictions.