What are our core British/Western values?

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Following the self-affirming UK Brexit vote and Trump's recent battle cry in defence of Western values, I figured it'd be interesting to find out:

1) What is your national, cultural, religious, and ethnic background?

2) With which political parties/movements do you most closely associate?

3) Would you prefer to leave, or remain in, the European Union (EU)?

4) What do you feel constitute core British values?

5) What do you feel constitute core Western values?

I am writing an article on this subject, so your thoughts may be helpful in this regard, and I may even feature some of them (anon attribution)
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I am writing an article on this subject, so your thoughts may be helpful in this regard, and I may even feature some of them (without personal attribution)
But you would reference it as other peoples' ideas, surely?

EDIT - thanks for changing the OP to reflect that fact that you're not suggesting you'll be plagiarising TSR members but referencing the work, albeit as 'anon'.
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Following the self-affirming UK Brexit vote and Trump's recent battle cry in defence of Western values, I figured it'd be interesting to find out:
1) Polish, atheist, slavic.

2) Not with particular parties, but with classical liberalism, and meritocracy.

3) Remain (though I think many things in EU work wrong)

4) From outlander's perspective: the rule of law, freedom of thinking, civil tolerance

5) Freedom of thinking, civil tolerance, secular state, rule of law, ancient Greek-Roman heritage.
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Right-wing nationalist Trump Brexit fan here.

Western culture is the best thing to ever have happened in the history of the world. It is defined by freedom of association and individual liberty. I.e. Westerners believe in individual self-help and self-reliance, not having the state pick artificial winners and losers, not having it dictate to individuals how they will behave, what htey will eat or drink, whom to marry, whom to love, etc. Economically, we believe in free economic competition and letting the best of the best shine through so long as they don't do it by violence or deception. Free-markets are synonymous with western culture.

Except when it comes to migrants, man. We have to protect "our" people from competition from abroad and let the state decide whom to admit. Self-reliance and individual liberty are good things but let's not be that serious about it. When **** hits the fan, we want both trade barriers and we want to exclude willing employers from hiring willing overseas people who're going to do a better job than anyone born here. They just want to work for less and that is not uh... good 'cos greed isn't good. I mean, again, free competition is nice and all but first of all, we believe in taking care of those who are born in this country. There's something magical about 'em, isn't here?

Anyway, sorry, got caught up in my love for our co-nationals. Where was I? yeah, well, we believe in individual striving for excellence (unless again, you're from India or Bangladesh, then, eww go back there). As a corollary of freedom, we believe in religious liberty. We believe each person ought to be free to choose their own religion and follow the dictates of their conscience to the full extent possible. You're free to believe what you want so long as you don't impose it on the rest of us by force.


Brb gotta go beat it off to Churchill for a few seconds.
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From the popularity of this thread, it appears that people today are not interested in basic values of our civilization at all.
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From the popularity of this thread, it appears that people today are not interested in basic values of our civilization at all.
Exams have ended, uni' students have gone home, everyone else is now on holiday. Only the old folks, die-hards and Billy No-mates left.
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Oh also, Poles and Hungarians might say they're westerners but they speak funny and aren't British so who gives a **** about 'em?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-fcrn1Edik
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Brilliant !

I went to school with several Polish people, one of whom I will never forget how to spell his name because every single new teacher asked him to spell it out aloud and it became ingrained on my brain:

Peter Zymanczyk

Great guy, have not seen him since a school reunion perhaps ten years ago now.
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Peter Zymanczyk
Easy name actually . Bet it was Żymańczyk, this Ż is spoken rather by 4th teeths, than tip of tongue, while ń is a soft n, it's spoken with front middle of toungue flattened on palate instead of tip of tongue touchng 1st teeth, and you can year 'i' in it. Chinese use almost the same sounds, but their tonal speaking... Wrong tone, and a word becomes completely different.
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(Original post by Foo.mp3)
Following the self-affirming UK Brexit vote and Trump's recent battle cry in defence of Western values, I figured it'd be interesting to find out:

1) What is your national, cultural, religious, and ethnic background?
Greek - Greek Orthodox - <see previous>

2) With which political parties/movements do you most closely associate?
LibDems/Tories

3) Would you prefer to leave, or remain in, the European Union (EU)?
Remain

4) What do you feel constitute core British values?
There are two sets of values, one 'traditional' and one 'new'. Not all of them are mutually exclusive.

Traditional: Classism, Personal Responsibility, Individualism (at every level - this covers the welfare state, the state of British families, relatively low taxation and free enterprise, etc), Commerciality, Importance of Education
Modern: Social Mobility, Equal opportunities for all, Multiculturalism + Diversity = Good, The importance of the social good

5) What do you feel constitute core Western values?
A combo of classical liberal values (so, small state, secularism, free scientific enquiry, fundamental freedoms (including free commerce), inalienable rights) and Judeo-Christian morality
Answered in the quote above
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1) What is your national, cultural, religious, and ethnic background?

British, atheistic, white.

2) With which political parties/movements do you most closely associate?

Globalisation in a radically centrist sort of fashion.

3) Would you prefer to leave, or remain in, the European Union (EU)?

Remaining in. I do not believe that any significant measure of control may be wrested back from the EU, and that the attempts to do so will prove ultimately negative with regards to national interest. I'm not sure it's a practical situation.

4) What do you feel constitute core British values?

Bitterness, taciturnity, politeness, social stratification (specifically as a value)

5) What do you feel constitute core Western values?

Personal liberty
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(Original post by Foo.mp3)
Following the self-affirming UK Brexit vote and Trump's recent battle cry in defence of Western values, I figured it'd be interesting to find out:

1) What is your national, cultural, religious, and ethnic background?

2) With which political parties/movements do you most closely associate?

3) Would you prefer to leave, or remain in, the European Union (EU)?

4) What do you feel constitute core British values?

5) What do you feel constitute core Western values?

I am writing an article on this subject, so your thoughts may be helpful in this regard, and I may even feature some of them (anon attribution)
1. british, british, agnostic atheist, white

2. green or corbyn's labour

3. remain

4. genuinely: equality and fairness, liberation/freedom, justice, care for all members of society, togetherness and community, hardiness, going to the pub

cynically: xenophobia, laziness, small-mindedness, classism

5. liberation and freedom of expression

(i want to be anon if you reference anything)
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If you were from a British family then I should think, judging by your responses, that you would have considered voting to Leave :holmes:
I think that EU should exist as free trade zone, without all the inefficient partly-fraud investment programs, massive bureucracy and a tendency to over-regulate every element of life.
Apart from the free trade zone, It should only make sure that the rule of law is respected in every country, and have a charismatic minister of foreign affairs (instead of a crying lady, who would execute agreements made together by all national governments, on EU vs. rest of the world.

With the present European Union, if I were British, maybe I would vote for leave (I think EU has lost a lot, Britain would push for reforms of the EU, I would appreciate). However I wouldn't vote for Poland to leave. Apart from the fact that it would be devastating for our economy, EU is the only thing that stops our current government from turning the country into a communist dicatorship with cross in it's teeth.
The ruling party promotes socialism in economy, nepotism in administration, removal of the rule of law, catholic fanatism, nationalism and xenophobia. If that doesn't change, I'm going to learn any language, history and everything, that is necessary to move and get a citizenship in a progressive country, Or I'll just move to Bhutan or Mongolia to live in harmony with nature, far away from all this madness,

(Original post by Foo.mp3)
Interesting that you separate these out from British vs. Western culture, albeit that I can see why (even if we have become very secular this past generation, by our own historic standards)
Actually I don't consider British values vs. (contradictive) to western values.
I rather wanted to make some accents. For example, nominally you have a ruling religion, even though the state as an organization is very secular and would be considered as pure "devil's invention" 400 years ago.

I'm not satisfied with the placement of Greek-Roman heritage. I think it's as much present in British culture as in culture of any other, or most of European countries. Impact of their languages, law, philosophy and science related areas is immense... and it should be bigger.
Modern people would learn a lot from Socrates and Plato, and even the presocratic philosophers.


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5) What are Western Values? Is Singapore western? is Dubai? Is Athens? Western Anglo American culture is very different from that of say Italy or Poland.
I'd say that Poland is doing it's best to imitate the worst elements of Anglo-American culture, and support the worst elements of catholic culture (while own national culture has been pretty much replaced with all these rubbish already, as numerous wars destroyed more than material properties).
However if you are for Anjem Choundary, then we would probably differ on what are the worst elements.
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