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    English and History are easier subjects than Business Studies and Sociology...Discuss

    I was interested in the A pass rate of these four subjects in relation to the debate about 'mickey mouse' subjects. According to the Times Newspaper Statistics; English and History are easier subjects than Business Studies and Sociology to get an A in.

    My evidence is as follows:

    Business Studies: 14.1% of people who sat exam = A
    English: 20.6% of people who sat exam = A
    History: 23.9% of people who sat exam = A
    Sociology: 18.3% of people who sat exam = A

    Therefore, surely an A in Business Studies or Sociology is a better achievement than that in English and History...

    What are your opinions?

    Now before a huge, heated debate starts and alot of slanderous comments are passed, all I have done is thrown a spanner in the waterworks to see other people's opinions.


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    I think about 59% of people who took further maths at A level got an A; I somehow don`t think that you can make an easy / hard scale of A levels using only the proportion of people gaining A's in that A level.
    In my opinion it's usually not the 'top' students choosing to sit such A levels as business studies or media and as these a levels are probs still a bit rigorous the number of A's is not going to be tremendously high.
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    I agree with Ian88 - 'smarter' people are more likely to take/not drop out of courses such as maths.

    Less 'smart' people are likely to take such 'micky mouse' subjects as they've been told that they are 'easy' - don't work, and get a bad grade. Or 'smart' people take the course, and don't put the work in, because they believe it's an 'easy A.'

    I'm not saying this is the case, I'm just suggesting.
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    (Original post by THE PROPHETOR!)
    English and History are easier subjects than Business Studies and Sociology...Discuss

    I was interested in the A pass rate of these four subjects in relation to the debate about 'mickey mouse' subjects. According to the Times Newspaper Statistics; English and History are easier subjects than Business Studies and Sociology to get an A in.

    My evidence is as follows:

    Business Studies: 14.1% of people who sat exam = A
    English: 20.6% of people who sat exam = A
    History: 23.9% of people who sat exam = A
    Sociology: 18.3% of people who sat exam = A

    Therefore, surely an A in Business Studies or Sociology is a better achievement than that in English and History...

    What are your opinions?

    Now before a huge, heated debate starts and alot of slanderous comments are passed, all I have done is thrown a spanner in the waterworks to see other people's opinions.


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    Thats crazy...lol fair enuff its plausable dat the higher grades for so called 'mickey mouse' subjects r lower (which i dnt myself agree dey r mickey mouse) but you must consider that ppl hu do take english lit or history r those hu either enjoy or do wel at it, whereas subjects like media r not common at GCSE and available for even the average candidate hu gets 5 a*-c at GCSE, hence before makin a judgement that ne subject is easier one must first luk @ the cohort for that subject. Ne thoughts?
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    (Original post by Godmaster)
    Thats crazy...lol fair enuff its plausable dat the higher grades for so called 'mickey mouse' subjects r lower (which i dnt myself agree dey r mickey mouse) but you must consider that ppl hu do take english lit or history r those hu either enjoy or do wel at it, whereas subjects like media r not common at GCSE and available for even the average candidate hu gets 5 a*-c at GCSE, hence before makin a judgement that ne subject is easier one must first luk @ the cohort for that subject. Ne thoughts?
    Yes I agree...

    But, is it then plausible that students who do take Business Studies and Sociology who achieve A grades are just as intelligent, accoridng to the statistics, as students who have taken English and History?

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    Entry grades have little to do with the toughness of a course, the entry grades are to do with the demand to get onto the course, if you have 100 people going for a course with 10 places you can afford to be picky. If you have 10 people going for a course with 20 places then you can't be as picky.

    Lots of people want to go to oxford so they can afford to say you need straight A grades as they'll still get people applying for the courses.

    simple.
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    (Original post by Vladek)
    Entry grades have little to do with the toughness of a course, the entry grades are to do with the demand to get onto the course, if you have 100 people going for a course with 10 places you can afford to be picky. If you have 10 people going for a course with 20 places then you can't be as picky.

    Lots of people want to go to oxford so they can afford to say you need straight A grades as they'll still get people applying for the courses.

    simple.
    These statistics are not based on entry grades. They are based on the percentage of people who achieved grade A in relation to everyone who sat that particular subject.

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    (Original post by THE PROPHETOR!)
    But, is it then plausible that students who do take Business Studies and Sociology who achieve A grades are just as intelligent, accoridng to the statistics, as students who have taken English and History?
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    (Original post by THE PROPHETOR!)
    Yes I agree...

    But, is it then plausible that students who do take Business Studies and Sociology who achieve A grades are just as intelligent, accoridng to the statistics, as students who have taken English and History?

    Jason
    lol i think its incorrect to 'compare' qualifications. Everybodys gud @ der own thing..like i get rubbish like 4 sciences is the ultimate challenge, where sum av a history of failing GCSE's in humanities and get A*'s in the science 1's (ie they cnt do subjects like history lol) Ders also those hu fail vice versa @ gcse. So imo i think dat places like universitys should take each candidates A levels and select through that rather than demand say 3A's (which cud b theoreticalli in Maths, Further Maths and say Chemistry which wudnt b ideal for say a heavily essay based course such as PPE at Oxford). Then those hu got 3A's n' wnna get into the higher institutions for popular courses wud need to take subjects which r a challenge to all n' be successful at them. (sorri if i mumbled on 2much)
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    (Original post by shiny)
    yes
    He he.. I like your two posts in this thread.

    So why then, is it automatically assumed that a Grade A in Sociology is not a great achievement compared to a Grade A in History. Even though the statstics show quite the opposite.

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    (Original post by THE PROPHETOR!)
    He he.. I like your two posts in this thread.
    So why then, is it automatically assumed that a Grade A in Sociology is not a great achievement compared to a Grade A in History. Even though the statstics show quite the opposite.
    damn, can't give a yes/no answer to this :P

    because preconceptions rule the wolrd. and there are a lot of people who think sociology is a thickos a-level and history is a smart arses a-level.
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    (Original post by Godmaster)
    lol i think its incorrect to 'compare' qualifications. Everybodys gud @ der own thing..like i get rubbish like 4 sciences is the ultimate challenge, where sum av a history of failing GCSE's in humanities and get A*'s in the science 1's (ie they cnt do subjects like history lol) Ders also those hu fail vice versa @ gcse. So imo i think dat places like universitys should take each candidates A levels and select through that rather than demand say 3A's (which cud b theoreticalli in Maths, Further Maths and say Chemistry which wudnt b ideal for say a heavily essay based course such as PPE at Oxford). Then those hu got 3A's n' wnna get into the higher institutions for popular courses wud need to take subjects which r a challenge to all n' be successful at them. (sorri if i mumbled on 2much)
    Again, I agree...

    It is not right to compare subjects, because of the mere fact that different people are better in different disciplines.

    So why then is it that consistently the topic of 'mickey mouse' subjects, arise?

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    (Original post by shiny)
    damn, can't give a yes/no answer to this :P

    because preconceptions rule the wolrd. and there are a lot of people who think sociology is a thickos a-level and history is a smart arses a-level.
    He he... you should of answered maybe!

    I think you just answered my previous post. But maybe you should add pre-misconceptions.

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    (Original post by THE PROPHETOR!)
    He he.. I like your two posts in this thread.

    So why then, is it automatically assumed that a Grade A in Sociology is not a great achievement compared to a Grade A in History. Even though the statstics show quite the opposite.

    Jason
    Grade A in sociology in my opinion is just as much an achievement as a Grade A in history. Both Grade A's i mean if you want to do a science course they're both equally as useless but if you want to do an English Course then they're brilliant surely?

    Its pointless comparing like godmaster said, If you do a-level maths and get a C its worth more to that person that getting a C in sociology becouse he might need maths for his degree course, doesn't mean its more of an achievement or he's better than the other person.
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    (Original post by Vladek)
    Grade A in sociology in my opinion is just as much an achievement as a Grade A in history. Both Grade A's i mean if you want to do a science course they're both equally as useless but if you want to do an English Course then they're brilliant surely?

    Its pointless comparing like godmaster said, If you do a-level maths and get a C its worth more to that person that getting a C in sociology becouse he might need maths for his degree course, doesn't mean its more of an achievement or he's better than the other person.

    Again, I totally agree...

    I am just trying to pinpoint the exact reason why some subjects are seen as mickey mouse, when they clearly are not in comparison with other courses. The only reason I can possible contruct, is that Sociology and Business Studies are more 'modern subjects' compared to the 'traditional' English and History subjects.

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    Thats crap no one intelligent would choose 'buisness studies' or sociology for alevel.
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    (Original post by sloaney87)
    Thats crap no one intelligent would choose 'buisness studies' or sociology for alevel.
    So someone who got 7A* and 5A's at GCSE is not intelligent?

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    (Original post by THE PROPHETOR!)
    So someone who got 7A* and 5A's at GCSE is not intelligent?

    Jason
    every does wot dey wnna do lol its as simple as dat lol however the only time i can think of subjects bein criticised is say for an entry to law or medicine, where a student hu did four sciences should hav the edge to a student hu onli did biology and chemistry coupled with say media studies and theatre studies, just to fulfill the matriculation requirements
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    Im really quite sceptical about the value of A-levels in courses such as media and business. As degree courses are usually quite specialised I think it would be sensible to add some broadness to your A-level subjects and not study something so parochial as media when a subject such as English L & L would serve you just as well to 'analyse media discourse' and does a lot more to boot. Same goes for business really, id pick economy over business any time. In fact, I did
 
 
 
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