Is the Labour Party a scam?

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My mother's background is politics and economics. She claims that the Labour Party was set up on a platform of populism that went round telling coal miners, shipbuilders, industrial workers etc. what they wanted to hear back in the early 20th century rather than adopting a serious but visionary strategy for the country. This goes a long way to explaining why Labour screwed up badly in the 1930s because they had no idea how to deal with a bad recession as their founders never thought that such an event could ever happen so never factored it into the party strategy.

Therefore is the Labour Party a scam for the gullible?
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A definition of a scam is; a dishonest way to make money- I think that's a problem that applies to both parties!
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(Original post by Arran90)
My mother's background is politics and economics. She claims that the Labour Party was set up on a platform of populism that went round telling coal miners, shipbuilders, industrial workers etc. what they wanted to hear back in the early 20th century rather than adopting a serious but visionary strategy for the country. This goes a long way to explaining why Labour screwed up badly in the 1930s because they had no idea how to deal with a bad recession as their founders never thought that such an event could ever happen so never factored it into the party strategy.

Therefore is the Labour Party a scam for the gullible?
The Labour Party has fluctuated over the course of it's history as to how Left it has been. There was from the very beginning contradictions in the Labour Party because it was comprised of many different elements, from trade-unionists, reformists, communists etc. with the intention to, for the first time, mount a parliamentary political struggle in the broad interests of the working class.

The furthest sighted elements of the British Labour movement, the communists, recognised that capitalism could never be reformed to get rid of it's inherent contradictions, those conflicts which are integral to the functioning of capitalism, only working class revolution could do this. But the recognised that a parliamentary party that was forged by the masses and broadly in their interests, was a necessary step along the road to that revolution.

The revolutionary wave of the early 20th century however, was defeated militarily (apart from in Russia). Which is why the Labour Party's natural role as a stepping stone to revolution has become blurred, being put through the lens of liberal history.
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(Original post by Arran90)
My mother's background is politics and economics. She claims that the Labour Party was set up on a platform of populism that went round telling coal miners, shipbuilders, industrial workers etc. what they wanted to hear back in the early 20th century rather than adopting a serious but visionary strategy for the country. This goes a long way to explaining why Labour screwed up badly in the 1930s because they had no idea how to deal with a bad recession as their founders never thought that such an event could ever happen so never factored it into the party strategy.

Therefore is the Labour Party a scam for the gullible?
Theres a conspiracy it was formed to suppress a working class/communist/socialist revolution, I've read into it and if it were true I wouldnt be surprised. If i come across the posts/articles I'll update my post and let you be the judge.
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(Original post by Arran90)
My mother's background is politics and economics. She claims that the Labour Party was set up on a platform of populism that went round telling coal miners, shipbuilders, industrial workers etc. what they wanted to hear back in the early 20th century rather than adopting a serious but visionary strategy for the country. This goes a long way to explaining why Labour screwed up badly in the 1930s because they had no idea how to deal with a bad recession as their founders never thought that such an event could ever happen so never factored it into the party strategy.

Therefore is the Labour Party a scam for the gullible?
What political part do you and your mother support btw?
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yes. it is just a front to enable Moscow to subvert our great country.
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Oh they are absolutely a scam. You cannot create wealth for a nation by taking from one half and giving to the other. All *****y socialist/communist parties are a complete scam.

That being said, the conservative party doesn't seem to have any traditional conservative values left at all as they are pandering so far to the left.

All major political parties are completely corrupt though because of the simple fact that political donations fully dictate all government policy.
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A definition of a scam is; a dishonest way to make money- I think that's a problem that applies to both parties!
Both? What about the people who are running the country, the Democratic Unionist Party?
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In some ways I suppose it is. :lol:

For example, the ways in which Jeremy Corbyn is trying to convince people that all the wishful thinking in the world can become reality are similar to what a scammer would try on his/her victims.
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Both? What about the people who are running the country, the Democratic Unionist Party?
I'm referring to the Conservative party, I couldn't comment on the DUP although I'd imagine they'd be too insignificant to lobby that much
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Yes.

no political party can make you a better person, richer, or give you a nice house.

It's up to you, the individual.
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No political party can make you richer.
That's just not true at all.
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Oh they are absolutely a scam. You cannot create wealth for a nation by taking from one half and giving to the other. All *****y socialist/communist parties are a complete scam.
To be fair they're not trying to create wealth: they're trying to 'change' society. A lot on the far left e.g. The Greens are quite open to the idea that they want us to be less wealthy.

That being said, the conservative party doesn't seem to have any traditional conservative values left at all as they are pandering so far to the left.
To an extent, did you see their 'interesting' proposal for Trans rights recently? 😂


All major political parties are somewhat corrupt though because of the simple fact that political donations dictates some government policy.
fixed that for you

Donations aren't always a bad thing by the way- i'd just stop it coming from abroad and put some Trump like regulations on lobbying.
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That's just not true at all.
I know right, just ask these guys:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...y-exposed.html

😂😂😂
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Is your mother 100 years old? Either this is irrelevant bc

1. All parties lie, I'm quite sure the Tories are a bigger scam

2. Your evidence is very anecdotal. What exactly constitutes "telling them what they want to hear" (once again, either way all parties do that anyway)

3. This was literally 100 years ago what relevance it it now

I don't know much about political history but all governments **** up. All you've described is another incident of politicians making mistakes which makes them like every other party in history. I don't see how that makes them a scam. If they're a scam then all of politics is a scam (which is fair enough). But I don't see how they can be specifically singled out for being duplicitous.
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(Original post by Davij038)
I know right, just ask these guys:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...y-exposed.html

😂😂😂
How is that relevant? A government can indeed make you wealthier, through benefits or mandatory pay increases. Just saying.
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How is that relevant? A government can indeed make you wealthier, through benefits or mandatory pay increases. Just saying.
Or through corruption and bribery too! 😂
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When I look around the country and what we have that is good, most of it came out of labour policies. The NHS, comprehensive education for all, regardless of income, equality law and rights all came from labour. On the other hand I struggle to identify society changing (for the better) things the Tories did.
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(Original post by nomad992)
Oh they are absolutely a scam. You cannot create wealth for a nation by taking from one half and giving to the other. All *****y socialist/communist parties are a complete scam.

That being said, the conservative party doesn't seem to have any traditional conservative values left at all as they are pandering so far to the left.

All major political parties are completely corrupt though because of the simple fact that political donations fully dictate all government policy.
Why not? One person makes £100 from £10. Take it away and then give 10 people £10 each and then they make it £1000 between them. In theory it works.
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