The telling silence of the TSR left on Venezuela

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The collapse of the former poster child of Socialism, Venezuela into tyranny is one of the biggest foreign policy stories in the world right now. But you wouldn't think so if you read this website, dominated as it is it by wet behind the ears student lefties.

Where are the threads discussing this? The silence is deafening. We get scores of outraged posts about transgender toilets, or cultural appropriation and all the other snowflake nonsenses. But the living nightmare that is Veneuzuela? Not so much.

So come on lefties, explain how it all went so terribly wrong. You could take some tips from Owen Jones, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqRi2Qips0Y

And maybe explain Jeremy Corbyn's support for the failed regime also. That would be useful.

http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-cor...zuela-10970635
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there was "a" thread on this some time ago:
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=4859362
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there was "a" thread on this some time ago:
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=4859362
That thread proves my point.

The last post was four days ago and the country is getting worse and worse. Plus there is only @chaoticbutterfly representing the loony left on it as far as I can see.

Some transgender boll ocks would be at six or seven pages by now and you would be able to move for the TSR lefties boring on and on about it.

Venezuela is an embarrassment for the left, I get that. It is proof that Socialism never works and always descends into tyranny. Like all the other proofs that we have seen over the years.

But hope springs eternal for a Socialist I suppose. There is always the feeling that this time it will be different.

None of them want to face up to the fact that it never is and never will be.

Then of course they all vote Tory in their forties when they grow up and finally realise the difference betweem their ars es and their elbows...

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(Original post by generallee)
The collapse of the former poster child of Socialism, Venezuela into tyranny is one of the biggest foreign policy stories in the world right now. But you wouldn't think so if you read this website, dominated as it is it by wet behind the ears student lefties.

Where are the threads discussing this? The silence is deafening. We get scores of outraged posts about transgender toilets, or cultural appropriation and all the other snowflake nonsenses. But the living nightmare that is Veneuzuela? Not so much.

So come on lefties, explain how it all went so terribly wrong. You could take some tips from Owen Jones, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqRi2Qips0Y

And maybe explain Jeremy Corbyn's support for the failed regime also. That would be useful.

http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-cor...zuela-10970635
You've forgotten that it isn't real socialism

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we must never allow someone like C****n to be in charge... after a few years he would turn our great nation into the love child of Venezuela & Albania.
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# NASS


















(Not all socialist states)
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Owen ' what about the Tories' Jones.

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it's not "real socialism"

they aren't doing it properly

when we make Britai socialist, we will do it properly, it will work this time
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(Original post by generallee)
The collapse of the former poster child of Socialism, Venezuela into tyranny is one of the biggest foreign policy stories in the world right now. But you wouldn't think so if you read this website, dominated as it is it by wet behind the ears student lefties.

Where are the threads discussing this? The silence is deafening. We get scores of outraged posts about transgender toilets, or cultural appropriation and all the other snowflake nonsenses. But the living nightmare that is Veneuzuela? Not so much.

So come on lefties, explain how it all went so terribly wrong. You could take some tips from Owen Jones, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqRi2Qips0Y

And maybe explain Jeremy Corbyn's support for the failed regime also. That would be useful.

http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-cor...zuela-10970635
Have you considered maybe that the left of TSR do not care about socialism in Venuzuela, or perhaps they don't agree with their kind of socialism?

Also where have you pulled this from:

"We get scores of outraged posts about transgender toilets, or cultural appropriation and all the other snowflake nonsenses."

I've seen none of this on this side of the forum, and have you seen D&CA lately? It's been non-stop whining and foaming at the mouth by right wing people over any stupid thing some feminist/BLM/left wing person somewhere has said.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Have you considered maybe that the left of TSR do not care about socialism in Venuzuela, or perhaps they don't agree with their kind of socialism?

Also where have you pulled this from:

"We get scores of outraged posts about transgender toilets, or cultural appropriation and all the other snowflake nonsenses."

I've seen none of this on this side of the forum, and have you seen D&CA lately? It's been non-stop whining and foaming at the mouth by right wing people over any stupid thing some feminist/BLM/left wing person somewhere has said.
Precisely. In fact, most TSR leftists don't even bother much with the News and Current Affairs section. The right-wingers are the most vocal, despite that there are less of them.

I'm a leftist who never viewed Venezuela as any sort of role model, and I'm willing to bet that almost no one here did either. I much prefer the Nordic model. I also rarely bother to post in this section now, as it's always the same boring arguments over and over again.
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I'm left-leaning... I think someone should just shoot Maduro already.
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(Original post by r3035)
it's not "real socialism"

they aren't doing it properly

when we make Britai socialist, we will do it properly, it will work this time
Socialism NEVER works, full stop.
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You're not a very good fisherman. Swing your line somewhere else.
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ok
That user is neither a leftist nor a socialist, more like a troll.
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(Original post by Dodgypirate)
Socialism NEVER works, full stop.
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Venezuela does not have a "left-wing" problem. It has a corruption problem, combined with a hugely unbalanced economy leading to serious shortages, hardship and, inevitably, rioting.

I've actually been following this story quite closely, but the posts about it on TSR tend to just be idiots parroting "lol socialism" without any concern about what is actually happening in the country, and what political decisions actually lead to the situation they have now.

Of course, the woes of a country half a world away tend not to be headline news anyway, unless the US happen to be invading them that is.
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I'm putting my hand up here and saying that the situation over there is too fiddly and complicated for me to get the nuance of right now, to such an extent I could actually contribute to a discussion. I'd have my head in books all week just to get a well balanced jist. My guess is this is the same for a lot of people (and with a lot of political stuff). Not to mention the fact that the right are much louder on this board.

People tend to have a gut reaction about social problems too, and it's easy to argue the toss about those. Politics, not so much.

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Venezuela does not have a "left-wing" problem. It has a corruption problem, combined with a hugely unbalanced economy leading to serious shortages, hardship and, inevitably, rioting.
If I got a pound for every time I heard this excuse, I'd be able to make Venezuela great again myself.

What is the root cause of said corruption, unbalanced economy, sky high inflation and poverty?
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If I got a pound for every time I heard this excuse, I'd be able to make Venezuela great again myself.

What is the root cause of said corruption, unbalanced economy, sky high inflation and poverty?
The root cause of corruption is the corrupt officials. Obviously. What else would it be?

The unbalanced economy has come about because of Venezuela's banana republic-esque dependency on oil exports, and the closing down of local industries in the favour of relying on cheaper imports instead. Now that imports have become more expensive, the industries that ought to be able to pick up the slack simply aren't there. Oh and of course a lot of people have been fleeing the country, leading to something of a brain drain in these industries too.

The inflation rate is mainly driven by the shortages as well as the aggressive pricing control the government has enacted. You could call this socialist, but that's really just a guise for more widespread corruption, as the point of these policies was always to benefit the officials managing the imports, not the general public.

I'm not sure it's fair to say Venezuela has a poverty problem as such. Certainly the public are experiencing serious hardship - hence the mass unrest, but "poverty" would suggest that they didn't have anything to begin with, which isn't the case. The country's resources have been slowly bled dry and the wealth of the economy drained by corrupt deals. The country would likely not be in the mess it's in now if it had not been so badly mismanaged to begin with.
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