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45-50% of the age group go to uni - too many.

It creates "graduate inflation" - too many graduates facing too few graduate jobs. The result being "under employment". The universities like to boast about their very high employment rates but don't or can't tell us about what the graduates actually do.

If you go for vocational courses such as Law or semi-vocational ones such as Business - you will be competing with so many people who have chosen a vocational course.

As for non-vocational courses eg Humanities and Social Science subjects you will end up doing jobs not connected to your degree and indeed not really requiring a degree at all.

I suggest

1) Move away from uni to more apprentices and on the job learning. Do you really need a degree to be a Supermarket Manager?

2) More 2 year courses. Courses could easily be condensed. You can do graduate convetsion courses in law, psychology and IT in just one year!

3) More online/distance learning courses. Study at home and work at the same tine.

4) I wiuldn't abolish fees but have them greatly reduced - most graduates won't pay back full amount anyway. Plus univetsities are paid out of current spending not loans over 30 years. In any case about 1% of public spending.
I would restore maintenance grants.

Going to Uni isn't just about getting a degree - but the experience as well. But then so many students live in an Echo Chamber I'm not sure most are benefitting as much as they could.

It seems to there is "grade inflation" with a higher proportion of students getting Firsts.

The Internet and technology has made it easier to do more far reaching reseach for the honest - and plagirism for the dishonest.
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"90% of our grads go on to get work within the first 6 months of finishing", considering half of that is grads working a maccy dees fam.
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All the dud universities should be shut down - these days anyone and their dog can get into university. University should be for only the best and brightest.
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All the dud universities should be shut down - these days anyone and their dog can get into university. University should be for only the best and brightest.
Give us a list and I will get the DfE to do it immediately.

Just kidding about the last part - Seriously though, I'm curious as to which universities are the dud ones.
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You make no sense. You say you want to reduce fees. This is just personal bias at the cost of the UK economy. Uni fees don't need to go down, and shouldn't go down. There's a reason Corbyn dropped it after abusing it to get votes.

The problem with apprenticeships is that they quite often limit career choices, so you may work in a job you really don't want to be doing but you have no other job you can apply for. An apprentice at Sainsbury's will have wasted a lot of his life if he wants to go to pharmacy later.
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Give us a list and I will get the DfE to do it immediately.

Just kidding about the last part - Seriously though, I'm curious as to which universities are the dud ones.
All non-Russell Groups other than St Andrews, Bath, and possibly Loughborough and Surrey.
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(Original post by Dot.Cotton)
All non-Russell Groups other than St Andrews, Bath, and possibly Loughborough and Surrey.
Thanks for the reply
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4) I wiuldn't abolish fees but have them greatly reduced - most graduates won't pay back full amount anyway. Plus univetsities are paid out of current spending not loans over 30 years. In any case about 1% of public spending.
I would restore maintenance grants..
If fewer people went to university in the first place, we wouldn't need tuition fees. It's a double whammy.
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Schools need to do a better job at providing more options - I know in the 3 schools in my area including mine, they only ever talked about Uni. I think only once in my 7 years there was I told about apprenticeships and such. So many of us (possibly me as well) only know about one path - Uni, and if you were to not be doing the best the teachers would tell us that we need to do well to get to uni. Maybe thats why so many are going to uni, its all we've been told about and made to come across as the only option
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(Original post by HatfieldGuy)
45-50% of the age group go to uni - too many.

It creates "graduate inflation" - too many graduates facing too few graduate jobs. The result being "under employment". The universities like to boast about their very high employment rates but don't or can't tell us about what the graduates actually do.

If you go for vocational courses such as Law or semi-vocational ones such as Business - you will be competing with so many people who have chosen a vocational course.

As for non-vocational courses eg Humanities and Social Science subjects you will end up doing jobs not connected to your degree and indeed not really requiring a degree at all.

I suggest

1) Move away from uni to more apprentices and on the job learning. Do you really need a degree to be a Supermarket Manager?

2) More 2 year courses. Courses could easily be condensed. You can do graduate convetsion courses in law, psychology and IT in just one year!

3) More online/distance learning courses. Study at home and work at the same tine.

4) I wiuldn't abolish fees but have them greatly reduced - most graduates won't pay back full amount anyway. Plus univetsities are paid out of current spending not loans over 30 years. In any case about 1% of public spending.
I would restore maintenance grants.

Going to Uni isn't just about getting a degree - but the experience as well. But then so many students live in an Echo Chamber I'm not sure most are benefitting as much as they could.

It seems to there is "grade inflation" with a higher proportion of students getting Firsts.

The Internet and technology has made it easier to do more far reaching reseach for the honest - and plagirism for the dishonest.
Thank you for volunteering not to go to university. O sorry, I misunderstood. It is other people who shouldn't be going to university.
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(Original post by Davwardo)
Schools need to do a better job at providing more options - I know in the 3 schools in my area including mine, they only ever talked about Uni. I think only once in my 7 years there was I told about apprenticeships and such. So many of us (possibly me as well) only know about one path - Uni, and if you were to not be doing the best the teachers would tell us that we need to do well to get to uni. Maybe thats why so many are going to uni, its all we've been told about and made to come across as the only option
Mine was the same. It was talked about as if you had to do it after you finished 6th form.
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(Original post by Dot.Cotton)
All non-Russell Groups other than St Andrews, Bath, and possibly Loughborough and Surrey.
What about RVC, SGUL, and all the other more specialised universities that aren't in the Russell Group but are the nonetheless incredibly important? And all the non-Russell Group universities with medical schools?
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(Original post by Moonstruck16)
What about RVC, SGUL, and all the other more specialised universities that aren't in the Russell Group but are the nonetheless incredibly important? And all the non-Russell Group universities with medical schools?
Don't you remember? We've had enough of experts so we don't need medics anymore.

We.. we... we can use.... 'ERBAL MEDICINE!
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Don't you remember? We've had enough of experts so we don't need medics anymore.

We.. we... we can use.... 'ERBAL MEDICINE!
Lmfao
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Thank you for volunteering not to go to university. O sorry, I misunderstood. It is other people who shouldn't be going to university.

Suggesting a reduction in the numbers going to uni. Also saying more alternatives to 3 year Full Time courses and maintenance grants being restored with a reduction in fees.
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Suggesting a reduction in the numbers going to uni. Also saying more alternatives to 3 year Full Time courses and maintenance grants being restored with a reduction in fees.
I am very sorry but I reamin totally cynical. Depending on the age of the person, it is always someone else should not go to university so that I (or my children) can do so more cheaply or with less competition.

There should be more alternatives but always for other people.
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(Original post by Dot.Cotton)
All non-Russell Groups other than St Andrews, Bath, and possibly Loughborough and Surrey.
Why? Some ex-polys outrank some Russell Group unis. The thinking that RG unis are the best is outdated.
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On the fee issue, I wouldnt abolish them. Instead I would introduce a system where you pay for how much your degree actually costs. There is no way a Politics or Law degree for example, costs the same to run as an Engineering degree.
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Is anyone here not going uni ?
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Surely the solution is for the government to start limiting which students and courses they subsidise. If they project we need (for instance) 6000 mathematicians from the next university cohort, then they subsidise 6000 mathematics places. So the best 6000 places to study maths are subsidised, and any places beyond that aren't. It means you only have the best people, who actually need and will use the degrees, going to university, and that only the strongest universities survive. The yearly judgement on which universities are given the subsidised places would also drive standards up in unis, as they would be essentially competing for their survival constantly. All the money saved by no longer funding superfluous university places could then be invested into secondary education, apprenticeships and other programs of their ilk
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