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Up to 50 migrants 'deliberately drowned' off Yemeni coast

A group of around 150 migrants from Ethiopia and Somalia have been deliberately drowned by people smugglers off the southern coast of Yemen. They did this apparently to try avoid arrest upon arrival in the country.

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-08-09/dozens-of-migrants-deliberately-drowned-by-people-smuggler/

Edit: The average age of a person aboard the craft was just 16.
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Inb4 dot cotton,whiskey and freedom and dodgypirate reckon they deserve it for being immigrants
Original post by JohnGreek
What are, in your opinion, the policy implications of this for the UK?


I don't think it has many for us. Why?
We are enabling Saudi's brutal assault on Yemen, which has created the largest humanitarian crisis in the world today, using the weapons we happily sell them.

Disgusting.
Original post by Palmyra
We are enabling Saudi's brutal assault on Yemen, which has created the largest humanitarian crisis in the world today, using the weapons we happily sell them.

Disgusting.


Well yes but that's hardly relevant.
Original post by cbreef
Well yes but that's hardly relevant.

Of course it is: without our weapons Saudi wouldn't be reducing the poorest country in the region to rubble, so there wouldn't a need for these poor children to escape a war-zone/humanitarian crisis.
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I remember watching a boat full of people just capsized as a ship was very close by and filming it. It wasn't the nicest thing to watch, literally you could so a person just whaling his arms around like a fish on land and then a minute later he's just motionless... soon after the water was just full of bodies...
Original post by Palmyra
Of course it is: without our weapons Saudi wouldn't be reducing the poorest country in the region to rubble, so there wouldn't a need for these poor children to escape a war-zone/humanitarian crisis.


They're fleeing Ethiopia mostly, travelling TO Yemen and then further north, probably to Europe.
Original post by Palmyra
Of course it is: without our weapons Saudi wouldn't be reducing the poorest country in the region to rubble, so there wouldn't a need for these poor children to escape a war-zone/humanitarian crisis.


Without "our" weapons they would just buy them from someone else. If they are going to acquire weapons they will, whoever it's from.
Original post by cbreef
They're fleeing Ethiopia mostly, travelling TO Yemen and then further north, probably to Europe.

Jeez, how desperate are they to seek safety in Yemen.
Original post by markova21
Without "our" weapons they would just buy them from someone else. If they are going to acquire weapons they will, whoever it's from.


It's still morally reprehensible to be selling weapons to them. It's downright wrong. (Excuse the tautology)
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Merkel is to blame.

Now the whole third world wants to come to Europe, where they will live in poverty and on benefits, and be disappointed.
unfortunately, they weren't the first group of innocent people to die trying to escape poverty, destitution, war and famine nor will they be the last.
But nobody really cares because they're immigrants - a "strain on the NHS", job "stealers", who we can't help because "we're full" - and not humans.
Original post by cbreef
It's still morally reprehensible to be selling weapons to them. It's downright wrong.


Oh I agree. But if the Saudis are going to insist on having these weapons anyway, they may as well get them from the Brits which in turn helps out British workers who make them. I'm sure there are plenty of other countries around the world who would be only too happy to step into Britain's shoes of supplying weapons should the day arrive the UK Government decides to make thousands of its own citizens unemployed because of some moral stance.
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Original post by r3035
Merkel is to blame.

Now the whole third world wants to come to Europe, where they will live in poverty and on benefits, and be disappointed.


The third world has always wanted to come to Europe although it's only now they see a decent opportunity to do so. What you say about them living on benefits is also completely false and honestly just reeks of ignorance.
Original post by markova21
Oh I agree. But if the Saudis are going to insist on having these weapons anyway, they may as well get them from the Brits which in turn helps out British workers who make them. I'm sure there are plenty of other countries around the world who would be only too happy to step into Britain's shoes of supplying weapons should the day arrive the UK Government decides to make thousands of its own citizens unemployed because of some moral stance.


At least then we could say that this isn't our fault because right now we are partly responsible for the situation.
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Also, isn't there a naval blockade on Yemen?

Original post by markova21
Without "our" weapons they would just buy them from someone else. If they are going to acquire weapons they will, whoever it's from.

If that's your logic why don't we just supply every terrorist group that commits war crimes across the world!

What's a bit of complicity in war crimes when we can line our pockets :rolleyes:
Original post by Palmyra
Also, isn't there a naval blockade on Yemen?


If that's your logic why don't we just supply every terrorist group that commits war crimes across the world!
I don't know. Maybe we DO supply a lot of them but we just never get to hear about it !
What's a bit of complicity in war crimes when we can line our pockets :rolleyes:


The first duty of any Government is to protect it's own people. By signing these contracts they have helped secure the livliehoods of British workers who need to put food on the plates of their wives and children, pay their bills etc. Once they have sold on these weapons, it is no longer the responsibility of the manufacturer or supplier what the buyer does with them. Unless they signed a clause or contract of some sort, insisting the weapons were only ever going to be used for peaceful, defence purposes. But how on earth would they monitor that and ensure it was being implemented?
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Original post by cbreef
The third world has always wanted to come to Europe although it's only now they see a decent opportunity to do so. What you say about them living on benefits is also completely false and honestly just reeks of ignorance.



Our best way to help them is to trade with them and share technology with them so they can build up their own country instead of facing racism and difficulties integrating into British culture.
Original post by markova21
Unless they signed a clause or contract of some sort, insisting the weapons were only ever going to be used for peaceful, defence purposes. But how on earth would they monitor that and ensure it was being implemented?

Pretty easily, actually. That's why the UK recently admitted that Saudi Arabia used UK-made cluster bombs (banned under the Convention on Cluster Munitions, which the UK has ratified).

Also, the position becomes rather different when that same country is funding an extremist and violent brand of Islam that has radicalised many Britons and directly led to terror attacks in this country:


There is a clear and growing link between foreign funding of Islamist extremism and the violent terrorism we have witnessed across the UK and Europe

[Saudi Arabia] is the chief funder of Islamic extremism in the UK


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4666732/Saudi-Arabia-chief-funder-Islamic-extremism-UK.html


[Wahhabism is] the main source of global terrorism

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/29/what-is-wahhabism-the-reactionary-branch-of-islam-said-to-be-the/

If you are happy to put profits before complicity in war-crimes, can you confirm that you would hypothetically support us providing weapons to ISIS, al-Shabaab or North Korea? That would be the consistent position at least.
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