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I can show you but I don't want to inconvenience you. I imagine a lot of people from this thread ask you for feedback.
Don't mind - I am happy to look at an application.
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Does anyone have any idea what Magic Circle firms look for in their applications? I've done multiple vacation schemes and 6 or 7 interviews but they've all been with US firms. I get rejected from MC firms at the first stage.
The reality is that working as a trainee in an MC firm involves doing extremely long hours on work that can actually be extremely tedious. The firm needs to know that you are up for it and that you have an interest in the work.

You need to express an interest in the work, and you need to show that you have an understanding of what makes working at an MC firm different to for example working for a national firm in Leeds or a smaller high street firm. For example saying you are particularly interested in working on cross-border transactions would be a good start.

HSF did a series of youtube videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCse...nlh94OyeZ-JUDg) which have some useful application tips. It has examples of "good answers" and "bad answers" to interview questions, such as why do you want to work in an international law firm. I think the videos are really great.
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Hey!

I'm currently torn about where to apply to. My mind says to give the MC firms a go, but I honestly think I'll follow my gut and apply for firms like Farrer & Co, Withers LLP and Mishcon De Reya. I've done three family law placements in the Midlands this summer and I think that this is the area of law for me, but I have also spent some time doing Employment law and I really enjoyed that too. It's tricky because I could do Employment law anywhere!

It's so overwhelming that we are making such huge decisions so early on in our careers. I'm hoping that everything will just fall into place, but I'd love to hear from anyone else who isn't going down the Commercial law route.

I'll definitely be following this thread closely :-)
Why not try some open days/careers events with MC firms?

Yes, you could end up doing employment with any of them. But you will also spend 18-21 months of your training contract not working in the employment practice.
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Hi everyone,

When some firms ask for A-Level grades AAB as a minimum, but my grades were A*AC – equivalent UCAS points – is this the acceptable minimum? Some firms only allow you to check the box, accepting you have achieved the AAB minimum so there is no room for disclosure. What do you guys think?

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Yes - that is the equivalent. You meet the basic criteria so really don't worry about that.
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Hi Everyone,

My name is Daniel and I am proceeding to enter my final year of BA Criminology at Durham University. I decided to embark on a career in law during my second year and as such I applied to a plethora of firms, both MC and US. I managed to secure an interview with Slaughter and May (albeit on a weak CV) but unfortunately didn't advance to the next stage, whereas my other successful application was with Sidley Austin, to whom I applied for a vac scheme but I found out I wasn't eligible yet they offered me an open day placement because of my apparently impressive application haha. For a bit of background, my A-Level grades are A*A A D3 in Spanish, Religious Studies (Philosophy and Ethics), Psychology and History (Pre-U) in that order. My first year grades are 82, 73, 70, 65, 64 and my second year ones are 78, 74, 70, 68, 66. This time around I am thinking of reapplying to Slaughters and Sidley Austin as well as to Shearman & Sterling, Ashurst, Jones Day, Norton Rose Fulbright and Herbert Smith Freehills for now.

I was wondering if anyone could share their experiences regarding any of these firms as well as offer any advice based on the information I provided above. I have also started a blog in the hopes of enriching my commercial awareness. I'm looking forward to hearing from anyone!
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Yes - that is the equivalent. You meet the basic criteria so really don't worry about that.
thank you very much, J-SP!
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what firms is everyone applying to and what year of law studies are you in?
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what firms is everyone applying to and what year of law studies are you in?
I am applying to Shearman & Sterling, Jones Day, Ashurst, Slaughter and May, Sidley Austin, Norton Rose Fulbright, Herbert Smith Freehills so far.

I am in the third year of a non-law degree. Which firms are you applying to?
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Hi, I'm about to go into my final year at Oxford reading English and am thinking of applying for vacation schemes this winter and summer, but am confused about the timeline of events (should I be fortunate enough to get one in the first place!). If someone could help me out with the following questions, I would be very grateful!

- Can a winter vacation scheme result in the offer of a training contract? If so, and you were lucky enough to get sponsorship from a firm, when could you start the training (in my case, the GDL)? Would I have to wait a year and apply separately to a law school to start the GDL in 2019, or could I start the summer after I graduate (ie. 2018)?

- If I got onto a summer vacation scheme for 2018 which resulted in the offer of a fully funded training contract, would I then have to take a year out to apply for the GDL separately, or could I start the GDL in September 2018?

Basically, I’m just wondering if, in either eventuality (a winter or summer vacation scheme), I have to take a year our after I graduate. If I do, does anyone have any recommendations for how best to spend that year, or whether that year is spent applying for the GDL? Essentially what I'm asking for is an ideal timeline for non-law applicants. As you can probably tell, I’m super confused and would be grateful for any help! Thank you in advance and good luck with all your applications!!
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Hi, I'm about to go into my final year at Oxford reading English and am thinking of applying for vacation schemes this winter and summer, but am confused about the timeline of events (should I be fortunate enough to get one in the first place!). If someone could help me out with the following questions, I would be very grateful!

- Can a winter vacation scheme result in the offer of a training contract? If so, and you were lucky enough to get sponsorship from a firm, when could you start the training (in my case, the GDL)? Would I have to wait a year and apply separately to a law school to start the GDL in 2019, or could I start the summer after I graduate (ie. 2018)?

- If I got onto a summer vacation scheme for 2018 which resulted in the offer of a fully funded training contract, would I then have to take a year out to apply for the GDL separately, or could I start the GDL in September 2018?

Basically, I’m just wondering if, in either eventuality (a winter or summer vacation scheme), I have to take a year our after I graduate. If I do, does anyone have any recommendations for how best to spend that year, or whether that year is spent applying for the GDL? Essentially what I'm asking for is an ideal timeline for non-law applicants. As you can probably tell, I’m super confused and would be grateful for any help! Thank you in advance and good luck with all your applications!!
You wouldn't need time out. You are applying at the right time as a non-law graduate. You would start the GDL in the September after graduating. You could sign up to that course fairly late on if needed, so even a late TC offer after a summer scheme would probably give you enough time to sign up to the GDL.



Firms wouldn't run vacation schemes of any kind unless they thought they could convert vac schemers into trainee recruits
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You wouldn't need time out. You are applying at the right time as a non-law graduate. You would start the GDL in the September after graduating. You could sign up to that course fairly late on if needed, so even a late TC offer after a summer scheme would probably give you enough time to sign up to the GDL.



Firms wouldn't run vacation schemes of any kind unless they thought they could convert vac schemers into trainee recruits


Thank you so so much, that’s so helpful! I had absolutely no idea and was worrying about what the hell I’d do in that filler year! Thank you
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Does anyone know if there's a list somewhere of which firms do and don't screen appson a rolling basis?
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Does anyone know if there's a list somewhere of which firms do and don't screen appson a rolling basis?

Not sure if there is a comprehensive, authoritative list out there but you can usually just check this on each firm's website. Here's some that tell you on their website:

Firms that are rolling basis:
Mishcon de Reya
Eversheds
Simmons
HWF
Slaughter and May
Latham & Watkins
A&O
Taylor Wessing
NRF
BLP


Firms that are not rolling basis:
Clifford Chance
Howard Kennedy
DLA Piper
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Not sure if there is a comprehensive, authoritative list out there but you can usually just check this on each firm's website. Here's some that tell you on their website:

Firms that are rolling basis:
Mishcon de Reya
Eversheds
Simmons
HWF
Slaughter and May
Latham & Watkins
A&O
Taylor Wessing
NRF
BLP


Firms that are not rolling basis:
Clifford Chance
Howard Kennedy
DLA Piper
Thanks! I know some firms mention it on their website, but not all do.

From memory, Osborne Clarke and TLT are non-rolling, or at least were last year. Jones Day screen on a rolling basis, and I think HSF do too.
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Check your eligibility first. Some summer schemes will only be for penultimate year undegraduates. If firms have multiple schemes you might be eligible for one but not the other.

I wouldn't say one vac scheme is more in demand than the other. Varies between firms. Unless the firm says otherwise, there is nothing stopping you from applying for a vac scheme, being unsuccessful but then applying for a TC with them in the same cycle.
Do you know how the 'penultimate' year law criteria affects those on study-abroad (4 year) schemes? I'm currently entering second year, hoping to apply to some spring and summer schemes.
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Do you know how the 'penultimate' year law criteria affects those on study-abroad (4 year) schemes? I'm currently entering second year, hoping to apply to some spring and summer schemes.
Different firms will have different approaches to this.

Some will just say wait until your penultimate year and that the recruitment process will be completely remotely

Some will recommend you apply in your second year but will defer your vacation scheme until the summer at the end of your third year.

Some will just take you on at the end of your second year.

Probably worth while checking the firm's FAQs, giving them a quick call, or speaking to them at a careers event for clarity.
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(Original post by frasercee)
Not sure if there is a comprehensive, authoritative list out there but you can usually just check this on each firm's website. Here's some that tell you on their website:

Firms that are rolling basis:
Mishcon de Reya
Eversheds
Simmons
HWF
Slaughter and May
Latham & Watkins
A&O
Taylor Wessing
NRF
BLP


Firms that are not rolling basis:
Clifford Chance
Howard Kennedy
DLA Piper
Latham isn't rolling
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Does anyone have any advice on employment references if you haven't had a proper job before? I've never worked in Tesco or a restaurant or anything like that but I have volunteered, would that count? I've also done another vacation scheme but didn't get a TC from it, would it be weird/dumb to contact someone from HR to ask for a reference?


Also does the fact that you've done a vac scheme but didn't get a TC offer put other firms off? Like why should they want you if this other firm didn't kind of thing? Are they likely to ask why I didn't get it at the interview stage? :/
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Does anyone have any advice on employment references if you haven't had a proper job before? I've never worked in Tesco or a restaurant or anything like that but I have volunteered, would that count? I've also done another vacation scheme but didn't get a TC from it, would it be weird/dumb to contact someone from HR to ask for a reference?


Also does the fact that you've done a vac scheme but didn't get a TC offer put other firms off? Like why should they want you if this other firm didn't kind of thing? Are they likely to ask why I didn't get it at the interview stage? :/
Yes - the volunteer work is still appropriate to get a reference from.

The vac scheme firm will only provide a standard reference of X to Y date and job title, but thats all that is really expected anyway.

Yes - there is that risk. But probably not an issue if it is only one scheme. And yes, you might get asked about your experiences at other firms and why you didn't go there (you might not though).
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Is anyone else having trouble with the Linklaters VS template application form?

It says 'Choose an item' for several parts of the form but if I click it, there's no list or options to choose from? Not sure if I'm missing something
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