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Why do non religious people get married?

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Original post by CherryCherryBoomBoom
Probably not many. Fair enough if you care about that stuff though.


I like churches, the religious institute behind them is not my concern.
My fiance and I aren't religious. I do come from a religious background though and that's one tradition that has been instilled in me. He's not as bothered about marriage but wants to spend the rest of his life with me, and is getting married more because I want to. I want the seal of commitment, the legal benefits, and to provide a foundation for starting a family. There are plenty of humanist and secular ceremonies these days so marriage doesn't automatically need to associate with a faith or religion.
Original post by Meany Pie
I like churches, the religious institute behind them is not my concern.


That's cool. I'm not religious and I'd personally feel a bit of a fraud marrying in a church, but that's just me. It would be like marrying in a synagogue or mosque when I don't subscribe to those religions. I also like the convenience of having my ceremony and reception in the same place. But I'm not criticising; you do you :smile:
Interestingly, there are heterosexual couples fighting to have civil partnerships due to the religious and so-called 'patriarchal' (eye roll) connotations of marriage. I personally think they're making a fuss over nothing imo
Original post by Meany Pie
I like churches, the religious institute behind them is not my concern.
I've spent a lot of years trying to make sense of people who think like this, and I just can't. The religious institition behind them is the whole thing; they can't be separated into religious and secular entities.

I'm all for welcoming people into the church, but find it hard to understand why non-religious people would want to make a big show of having a wedding in one. Like CCBB said, it's a little bit fraudulent, especially when a lot of religious people will be doing the service, and by definition will be taking it more seriously than you are - because while you and your partner are declaring to each other the world your love for one another, the priest is facilitating that, and uniting you before God and eternity. For him/her, it's God's work, while for you it's a pretty building with bells and an organ.

Do you feel nothing about that?
Original post by Tootles
I've spent a lot of years trying to make sense of people who think like this, and I just can't. The religious institition behind them is the whole thing; they can't be separated into religious and secular entities.

I'm all for welcoming people into the church, but find it hard to understand why non-religious people would want to make a big show of having a wedding in one. Like CCBB said, it's a little bit fraudulent, especially when a lot of religious people will be doing the service, and by definition will be taking it more seriously than you are - because while you and your partner are declaring to each other the world your love for one another, the priest is facilitating that, and uniting you before God and eternity. For him/her, it's God's work, while for you it's a pretty building with bells and an organ.

Do you feel nothing about that?


Everybody wins is how I see it, we all get what we want.
Original post by Meany Pie
Everybody wins is how I see it, we all get what we want.
Hmm I'm still not entirely sure I understand your thinking, but eh, there's nothing to be gained by arguing with you. As long as you're respectful if you do that, that's all I (and other faithful) can ask. I'd never say non-religious should be barred from religious services; at the end of the day that's what the point is - welcoming people. I just can't understand why someone without that faith would want to. To me it'd be like going into a fancy restaurant and asking for a packet of crisps and a can of Red Stripe.
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Original post by Tootles
I've spent a lot of years trying to make sense of people who think like this, and I just can't. The religious institition behind them is the whole thing; they can't be separated into religious and secular entities.

I'm all for welcoming people into the church, but find it hard to understand why non-religious people would want to make a big show of having a wedding in one. Like CCBB said, it's a little bit fraudulent, especially when a lot of religious people will be doing the service, and by definition will be taking it more seriously than you are - because while you and your partner are declaring to each other the world your love for one another, the priest is facilitating that, and uniting you before God and eternity. For him/her, it's God's work, while for you it's a pretty building with bells and an organ.

Do you feel nothing about that?


Definitely agree with this. You summed up so well how I see things.

The sanctity of marriage in a church and what it represents from a Christian view point indeed makes me wonder why non Christians can take it so lightly to get married in an institution that has principles and values that are incongrous with their own.

A marriage ordained in Christianity includes Christ in the union and so the assumption is that the relationship is not just the two people, but it's a relationship with three people as a cord of three strands is not easily broken (Ecclesiastics 4:12).

There are two couples I know who attended CofE churches over 6-12 months in 2014 and 2015 just so they could get married in the building - they needed to sign the register every week. Couple one is now divorced. Couple two has separated, pending a divorce. Both were extremely lavish weddings that broke the bank.

I'm not saying there's a connection between their separations and their wedding ceremony, but watching these two separations has led me to ponder things. I'm observing and learning about the institution of marriage in the church. I don't just see marriage as a legal contract in order to benefit myself and if ever I were to get married, I will give it the reverence that it signifies and deserves in Christianity.
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Original post by Tootles
Hmm I'm still not entirely sure I understand your thinking, but eh, there's nothing to be gained by arguing with you. As long as you're respectful if you do that, that's all I (and other faithful) can ask. I'd never say non-religious should be barred from religious services; at the end of the day that's what the point is - welcoming people. I just can't understand why someone without that faith would want to. To me it'd be like going into a fancy restaurant and asking for a packet of crisps and a can of Red Stripe.


It is more like going to a fancy restaurant not for the food but for the atmosphere and excellent service, the restaurant get your money, the only thing they care about and you get what you really came for.
Original post by Fruli
Definitely agree with this. You summed up so well how I see things.

The sanctity of marriage in a church and what it represents from a Christian view point indeed makes me wonder why non Christians can take it so lightly to get married in an institution that has principles and values that are incongrous with their own.

A marriage ordained in Christianity includes Christ in the union and so the assumption is that the relationship is not just the two people, but it's a relationship with three people as a cord of three strands is not easily broken (Ecclesiastics 4:12).

There are two couples I know who attended CofE churches over 6-12 months in 2014 and 2015 just so they could get married in the building - they needed to sign the register every week. Couple one is now divorced. Couple two has separated, pending a divorce. Both were extremely lavish weddings that broke the bank.

I'm not saying there's a connection between their separations and their wedding ceremony, but watching these two separations has led me to ponder things. I'm observing and learning about the institution of marriage in the church. I don't just see marriage as a legal contract in order to benefit myself and if ever I were to get married, I will give it the reverence that it signifies and deserves in Christianity.
It can go both ways, I think. There are people who'll put on a big do because they're showy, and there are people who, while not religious, will want to have a church wedding because getting married is important to them. I've known religious and non-religious couples of both categories.

For me, as an Anglo-Orthodox, I believe that marriage (at least as it is in the church) is not simply a state, but a ministry - to which one is ordained, like the priesthood. Thus, to me, the idea of non-religious couples getting married in church is simply contradictory, like an atheist becoming a priest.

Then again, the point of the church is not to serve its own, but to serve the community, and as I said before, it's still the work of God to celebrate weddings for non-believers, even if they don't see it as such. So I wouldn't ever tell them they weren't welcome. It's another one of those "what would Jesus do" things; would he tell a couple to go away, or would he give them his blessing, marry them, and wish them a happy life together? I like to think the latter, but with the hope that the couple would at some point come to see God's role in their lives.. But of course I'm going to say that.

Original post by Meany Pie
It is more like going to a fancy restaurant not for the food but for the atmosphere and excellent service, the restaurant get your money, the only thing they care about and you get what you really came for.
but you won't fully experience either of those things if you don't order a meal.

I take your point though. If being married means enough to you that you want to do it the "proper," "traditional" way, then go for it and good on you. But if it really is just about the music, the bells, how much better a church looks in pictures than a registry office or hotel suite... well, that's a little bit vain.

Also I hope you didn't take my comment about arguing before the wrong way; I meant I don't want to be hostile, rather than being dismissive.
Original post by Tootles

but you won't fully experience either of those things if you don't order a meal.

I take your point though. If being married means enough to you that you want to do it the "proper," "traditional" way, then go for it and good on you. But if it really is just about the music, the bells, how much better a church looks in pictures than a registry office or hotel suite... well, that's a little bit vain.

Also I hope you didn't take my comment about arguing before the wrong way; I meant I don't want to be hostile, rather than being dismissive.


I care little for pictures. I want a church because they are beautiful places, my local church is wonderful, a proper village church nestled between farmer's fields. It is in one of the most beautiful places on earth and where I grew up. It is the church I had my school services in as well. I want that church in particular.

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Original post by Fruli
These days rights are almost the same for non married co habiters, as they are for the married couples, so it just makes me wonder why non religious people get married?

I can understand why marriage unions that are ordained by religion happen, but given that legal rights are very similar, I don't understand why non religious people get married. In some instances it's arguably a burden, especially when it comes to divorce


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Original post by Meany Pie
I care little for pictures. I want a church because they are beautiful places, my local church is wonderful, a proper village church nestled between farmer's fields. It is in one of the most beautiful places on earth and where I grew up. It is the church I had my school services in as well. I want that church in particular.

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That makes sense. There are worse motivations for it, especially if it's a place that means as much as that obviously does to you.

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