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Please look at the video below. Alex Jones is walking around a US city being a bit provocative with right wing views and a number of people are walking up to him swearing at him or being violent.

I have done some experiments myself and experienced the same. When you tell them that George Soros defends Nazi collaboration and at the same time sponsors BLM and Antifa that get massively triggered (because it exposes the fact that they are ideological useful idiots). They don't have any real facts because they get everything from the #fakenews.


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Some mean words and a bit of luke-warm coffee is enough to get you labeled a terrorist? Just how soft are Alex Jones and his supporters?
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I'm not really sure at what point "anti-fascism" became a political movement rather than a default state of being.

One would think, following the atrocities of the second world war, that anyone and everyone would endeavour to fight fascism in all it's forms - for posterity.
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Some mean words and a bit of luke-warm coffee is enough to get you labeled a terrorist? Just how soft are Alex Jones and his supporters?
If it's the left wing using words plus coffee then it's fine, if it's the right, they would probably be arrested. If it was the Neo-Nazis, there would probably be a riot.
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I'm not really sure at what point "anti-fascism" became a political movement rather than a default state of being.

One would think, following the atrocities of the second world war, that anyone and everyone would endeavour to fight fascism in all it's forms - for posterity.
No one can define fascism so it's a stupid position.

Surely anti-fascist need to oppose the merge of corporations and state that is seen in massive American political blocks like too big to fail banks, defence contractors and corporate lobbyists donating millions. Not to mention George Soros funding Antifa and Black Lives Matters at the same time as defending his Nazi collaboration. Anyone who claims to be an anti fascist is a useful idiot being handled by transactionalists.
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No one can define fascism so it's a stupid position.

Surely anti-fascist need to oppose the merge of corporations and state that is seen in massive American political blocks like too big to fail banks, defence contractors and corporate lobbyists donating millions. Not to mention George Soros funding Antifa and Black Lives Matters at the same time as defending his Nazi collaboration. Anyone who claims to be an anti fascist is a useful idiot being handled by transactionalists.
Many can and have defined fascism - most dictionaries, to begin with.

Hitler also liked painting, but I don't see you criticizing the Tate Modern for having paintings by completely unrelated individuals in them.

Really, this is just a poor attempt at trolling. If you're going to try and have an argument against a position, try to have more than a singular point to defend your own position and attack the opposing one.
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Many can and have defined fascism - most dictionaries, to begin with.

Hitler also liked painting, but I don't see you criticizing the Tate Modern for having paintings by completely unrelated individuals in them.

Really, this is just a poor attempt at trolling. If you're going to try and have an argument against a position, try to have more than a singular point to defend your own position and attack the opposing one.
Well it must be a very poor definition seeing as Anti-fascist don't really understand who they are calling fascists.

People in Nazi costumes, fascists
Right wing libertarians, fascists
Trump supporters, fascists
Christians, fascists

Anyone who doesnt believe in the current position of left wing progressive Marxist dogma I.e. Pulling down statues - fascist

Merger between state & corporations (the actual definition of fascism) - No that's Obama/ Hillary - they are our people that Antifascists think
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I'm not really sure at what point "anti-fascism" became a political movement rather than a default state of being.
Worth repeating. But bigger.
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Well it must be a very poor definition seeing as Anti-fascist don't really understand who they are calling fascists.

People in Nazi costumes, fascists
Right wing libertarians, fascists
Trump supporters, fascists
Christians, fascists

Anyone who doesnt believe in the current position of left wing progressive Marxist dogma I.e. Pulling down statues - fascist

Merger between state & corporations (the actual definition of fascism) - No that's Obama/ Hillary - they are our people that Antifascists think
"Definition of fascism:
1 : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control"

So...yes, by definition those categories are all fascists, with the exception of "christian" where the correct context is "US far right fundamentalist evangelical Christians" who would fall under that definition...in the specific context of the US far right fundamentalist evangelical Christians only. Also your definition of fascism is...incorrect? Like it's not even close to correct. I mean, literally nothing about your posts make sense so...good job for proving not only to me, but to everyone else with an internet connection that you're an idiot?
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No one can define fascism so it's a stupid position.
All good dictionaries seem to have managed. And anyone who has studied 20th century history. And many children.
Why do you find it difficult?
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I'm not really sure at what point "anti-fascism" became a political movement rather than a default state of being.

One would think, following the atrocities of the second world war, that anyone and everyone would endeavour to fight fascism in all it's forms - for posterity.
I think the problem came when someone decided that a facist is anyone with an opinion that strayed from the mainstream narrative. It's funny really; the anti fascists are more fascist than the people they're against
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No one can define fascism so it's a stupid position.
a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition (Merriam-Webster)
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Well it must be a very poor definition seeing as Anti-fascist don't really understand who they are calling fascists.

People in Nazi costumes, fascists
Right wing libertarians, fascists
Trump supporters, fascists
Christians, fascists

Anyone who doesnt believe in the current position of left wing progressive Marxist dogma I.e. Pulling down statues - fascist
Ah, I see what your problem is now. You think that that opponents of fascism assume that everyone in your list is a fascist. They don't. Just those who support fascism.
You see, "opponents of fascism" tend to have a large Venn overlap with "intelligent" and "well informed", whereas for "supporters of fascism", those circles are just a dot in the distance.
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"Definition of fascism:
1 : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control"

So...yes, by definition those categories are all fascists, with the exception of "christian" where the correct context is "US far right fundamentalist evangelical Christians" who would fall under that definition...in the specific context of the US far right fundamentalist evangelical Christians only. Also your definition of fascism is...incorrect? Like it's not even close to correct. I mean, literally nothing about your posts make sense so...good job for proving not only to me, but to everyone else with an internet connection that you're an idiot?
Yes but also you're an idiot. Almost every culture and regime in the world has a sense of nation, race, centralised government, an exhausted leader, high use of centralised power, economic regimentation, social regimentation and suppression of opposition.

I see what this definition is tying to do. It's trying to paint a picture of the fascist regimes of the 1930s/40s like Germany, Italy and Spain but is finding it difficult because the definition ends up covering much of the human condition.

I suppose that this lack of a robust definition that actually captures the specific regimes that Anti-fascists want to discuss helps to keep them targeting anyone who doesn't want to flexible pull down statues as fascists.
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Yes but also you're an idiot. Almost every culture and regime in the world has a sense of nation, race, centralised government, an exhausted leader, high use of centralised power, economic regimentation, social regimentation and suppression of opposition.

I see what this definition is tying to do. It's trying to paint a picture of the fascist regimes of the 1930s/40s like Germany, Italy and Spain but is finding it difficult because the definition ends up covering much of the human condition.

I suppose that this lack of a robust definition that actually captures the specific regimes that Anti-fascists want to discuss helps to keep them targeting anyone who doesn't want to flexible pull down statues as fascists.
Definition of fascism:
1 : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Grade: U

Please reattempt exercise after reviewing bolded areas in the context of the full definition.
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I'm not really sure at what point "anti-fascism" became a political movement rather than a default state of being.

One would think, following the atrocities of the second world war, that anyone and everyone would endeavour to fight fascism in all it's forms - for posterity.
I don't think fascism is what people should be fighting so hard, but instead they should be fighting authoritarianism. The ideas in fascism are stupid enough to be debunked in a simple debate.
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targeting anyone who doesn't want to flexible pull down statues as fascists.
Ah, I see another of you problems now.

You see, it isn't about "pulling down statues", it's actually about "not venerating historical symbols of social hate or division".
Also, remember that opponents of fascism don't see everyone who opposes pulling down statues as fascists. Only those who express fascist ideology.

It really isn't that complicated.

I get the feeling that if someone politely refused your invitation to go on a date, you'd scream "WHY DO YOU HATE ME!!" in their face.
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Ah, I see another of you problems now.

You see, it isn't about "pulling down statues", its actually about "not venerating historical symbols of social hate or division".
Also, remember that opponents of fascism don't see everyone who opposes pulling down statues as fascists. Only those who express fascist ideology.

It really isn't that complicated.

I get the feeling that if someone politely refused your invitation to go on a date, you'd scream "WHY DO YOU HATE ME!!" in their face.
Symbols of hate, no it's just the world at the time.

Surely you must defend pulling the Egyptian pyramids down because they were build by slaves? No - I see only for white western people.

We are resisting liberal left social justice warrior lunatics - it's not fascism - it's resisting lunatics who don't even have a consistent narrative themselves.
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Symbols of hate, no it's just the world at the time.
A statue is not "just the world at the time", It is a present day commemoration and celebration of "the world at the time". That is a big difference.

Surely you must defend pulling the Egyptian pyramids down because they were build by slaves?
Firstly, the pyramids were not built by slaves (but then we know that history isn't one of your strong points).
Second, archaeological remains are not a present day celebration of the ideology of the builders, they are a part of history.
I would support pulling down a modern statue of Hitler in Auschwitz town square, but I would not support demolishing the camp buildings.
See the difference?

We are resisting liberal left social justice warrior lunatics - it's not fascism - it's resisting lunatics who don't even have a consistent narrative themselves.
I'm sure that made perfect sense in your head.
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I'm sure that made perfect sense in your head.
Well I guess we need to get rid of the Egyptian decorations at Harrods and the Aztec decorations at the Atlantis hotel chains in pure libtard style because they represent oppressive slave owning fascist cultures.
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