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I'm wondering if anyone is going into teaching with intentions to teach in Australia and what type of course they have taken e.g. PGCE or QTS. I have been offered two placements in Wales.
BA Primary Studies (QTS) 3 years
BA Early Years and Care (EYPS) 2 years.(Equiv to 3 years degree but intensified and based more on work based learning and one evening a week)

My dilemma is I want to gain a degree quickly with options to teach or work in Australia. I'm getting on and age going against me for migration purposes. I also want to keep options open to qualify to work in community based projects in early Years (Keeping migration options open).

Research into the migration rules makes it increasingly difficult to become accepted to teach/work in Australia now without at least a 4 year degree or a 3 year degree with a PGCE. To become an Early Years Teacher (Pay much less) you need a Primary Teaching Qualification (4 yr degree) and registration AND an additional Post graduate or foundation degree in Early Years with practical experience in 0-5 yrs).

I am already NNEB qualified level 3 but even this is insufficient now in Oz with a degree expected to work in nurseries as a qualified practitioner.

I thought a degree with QTS would be sufficient but now it looks like (from reading forums/and education sites Australia) that QTS is worthless. I am confused as thought a degree focussing purely on one subject re: teaching would be more beneficial, yet it seems less important than the length of time studying and the PGCE level appears higher?
I am now wondering what course to take as even 2 year intensified 360 credit course specialising in Early Years followed by a PGCE would now appear worthless in Australia as it is completed in only 3 years!!

Has anyone got any experience of teaching in OZ or the difference between QTS and PGCE?
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Qts is just recognised in the UK and it shows you know how to teach.

PGCE is recognised internationally and it inlcudes QTS but also some background into the pedagogy of teaching. So you know how to teah and also the theories of teaching.

So you would need the PGCE to teach anywhere other than the UK.

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(Original post by cerim)
Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone is going into teaching with intentions to teach in Australia and what type of course they have taken e.g. PGCE or QTS. I have been offered two placements in Wales.
BA Primary Studies (QTS) 3 years
BA Early Years and Care (EYPS) 2 years.(Equiv to 3 years degree but intensified and based more on work based learning and one evening a week)

My dilemma is I want to gain a degree quickly with options to teach or work in Australia. I'm getting on and age going against me for migration purposes. I also want to keep options open to qualify to work in community based projects in early Years (Keeping migration options open).

Research into the migration rules makes it increasingly difficult to become accepted to teach/work in Australia now without at least a 4 year degree or a 3 year degree with a PGCE. To become an Early Years Teacher (Pay much less) you need a Primary Teaching Qualification (4 yr degree) and registration AND an additional Post graduate or foundation degree in Early Years with practical experience in 0-5 yrs).

I am already NNEB qualified level 3 but even this is insufficient now in Oz with a degree expected to work in nurseries as a qualified practitioner.

I thought a degree with QTS would be sufficient but now it looks like (from reading forums/and education sites Australia) that QTS is worthless. I am confused as thought a degree focussing purely on one subject re: teaching would be more beneficial, yet it seems less important than the length of time studying and the PGCE level appears higher?
I am now wondering what course to take as even 2 year intensified 360 credit course specialising in Early Years followed by a PGCE would now appear worthless in Australia as it is completed in only 3 years!!

Has anyone got any experience of teaching in OZ or the difference between QTS and PGCE?
The PGCE leads to QTS so if you complete a PGCE you will be given QTS aswell as the PGCE award. The actual PGCE is the "academic" part of the course so they are two different things yes but they come as a package. You can get a PDGE which doesn't include the Academic part of the course and only gets you the QTS. However, if you are doing the PGCE you may aswell try to complete the academic side of things aswell! I don't have any experience in teaching in OS but there are some masters courses in education studies out there that are 4 years and include QTS at the end of it.

On a side note. As far as I am aware you will not be able to qualify to have your teaching qualifications assessed in line with other countries if you have not passed your NQT induction period. I have been told this is the case for Canada and the US. So they suggest you pass your NQT before you try and get your qualifications assessed abroad for their equivalent of QTS.

Someone correct me if I am wrong on the last bit.
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