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Thanks for your reply I should have mentioned in my OP, I got a high 2.2 in my degree (I have recently been diagnosed with severe ADHD, so struggled a lot during uni!), so I want to make my application as strong as possible. I am already volunteering at a hospital and will hopefully be doing a week shadowing with a pathologist at some point. I also work in a pathology lab for a pharmaceutical company.

I think an MSC would greatly increase my chances, but I am struggling to determine what would be the best subject :/
With a 2.2 your only option afaik is Nottingham and you need a good gamsat score. A MSc will increase your options. If you want to do Pathology ultimately it would make sense to do an MSc in it, then it would help your career path.
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(Original post by Abicke)
Thanks for your reply I should have mentioned in my OP, I got a high 2.2 in my degree (I have recently been diagnosed with severe ADHD, so struggled a lot during uni!), so I want to make my application as strong as possible. I am already volunteering at a hospital and will hopefully be doing a week shadowing with a pathologist at some point. I also work in a pathology lab for a pharmaceutical company.

I think an MSC would greatly increase my chances, but I am struggling to determine what would be the best subject :/
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With a 2.2 your only option afaik is Nottingham and you need a good gamsat score. A MSc will increase your options. If you want to do Pathology ultimately it would make sense to do an MSc in it, then it would help your career path.
I think George’s accept 2:2 as well I’m doing an MSc in Clinical Anatomy and it’s brilliant!
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Not anymore. At least not without a postgraduate degree.
Ah ok! Thanks for correcting me - I’m not very familiar with George’s
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Thanks for everyone's replies! I've looked into anatomy Msc's but unfortunately the only universities that do it are very far away . I've looked into tropical diseases/Molecular Medicine/immunology courses as they are very few that only do pathology as a MSc.

(Original post by mariam_m72)
Hi, if anyone's interested in the des o'neil pdf's, I'm selling all of them. I recently sat the GAMSAT and they were definitely the most invaluable resource for me because they're so comprehensive in what they cover, yet still get to the point. They also include loads of actual mock tests for each section which are really helpful.

I wouldn't recommend the Gold Standard textbook in my opinion it's just loads of waffle and it goes into unnecessary detail which can be quite overwhelming.
If anyone's interested feel free to send me a message!
How much would you be looking for?
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(Original post by Abicke)
Thanks for everyone's replies! I've looked into anatomy Msc's but unfortunately the only universities that do it are very far away . I've looked into tropical diseases/Molecular Medicine/immunology courses as they are very few that only do pathology as a MSc.



How much would you be looking for?
I'll send you a message!
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Hi everyone, I wanted to know if anyone here has applied for graduate medcine at Oxford, Kings or St Georges?

I'm currently in my second year of Biomedical science and the lowest i have ever gotten on any exam was a high 2.1 so there is no reason to believe that I wont achieve at least a 2.1 in my final degree.

I also have all sorts of experiences (shadow work in hospitals abroad, work experience, health care assistance, teacher assistance for special need children and volunteer work within hospitals as well as with charities).

However, I got horrible A level grades and I've also undergone a brain injury within my first semester in my first year.

I am planning on applying for Oxford, King's, St Gearges and Nottingham but i wanted to know if those reasones would stop me from succeding in an application to any of those universities. Thank you guys
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Hi everyone, I wanted to know if anyone here has applied for graduate medcine at Oxford, Kings or St Georges?

I'm currently in my second year of Biomedical science and the lowest i have ever gotten on any exam was a high 2.1 so there is no reason to believe that I wont achieve at least a 2.1 in my final degree.

I also have all sorts of experiences (shadow work in hospitals abroad, work experience, health care assistance, teacher assistance for special need children and volunteer work within hospitals as well as with charities).

However, I got horrible A level grades and I've also undergone a brain injury within my first semester in my first year.

I am planning on applying for Oxford, King's, St Gearges and Nottingham but i wanted to know if those reasones would stop me from succeding in an application to any of those universities. Thank you guys
hey! i applied to oxford and kings gem this year and have already gotten rejections at both

im in my final year of biomedical science, predicted a 1st, great gcses, awful a-levels (but a-levels don't matter for the kings and oxford gem - beware though as others do care about them)
i have done around 140 hours of volunteering - but remember that if you have no reflection then all the work experience in the world doesn't matter - and you need to show this in your personal statement

this year's application cycle taught me 2 things:

TIME TIME TIME (ok 3 things) - please give yourself time to prepare the best application possible.
the universities you are applying to require BMAT (Oxford), UKCAT (Kings) AND the GAMSAT (St. Georges, Nottingham) - are you sure you can handle this ? it is better for you to do 2 exams well rather than all 3 at a sub-standard rate. keep in mind this is also a rather expensive route - doing the ukcat and bmat this year cost me around £287 and I didn't even have enough resources at that. the gamsat alone is 263 i think - so you are nearing 600 without the prep for gamsat yet.

even though every part of my application was great my ukcat and bmat basically shut the door right in my face.
for kings gem you need around 770+ to put yourself in a safe area, and for oxford i'd say 6,6,3.5A MINIMUM
i got 635 band 3 (ukcat) and 4.2,3.8,3.5A (bmat) - the unis you are applying to do care about these exams so you can see that this just stopped things totally
i am not sure about gamsat as i didn't do it and to be honest won't do it if i have to apply again.

to prepare well for ukcat and bmat i wish i had started about 4 months earlier than i did.

UKCAT doesn't need as much time to prepare as bmat - but some key skills such as reading fast whilst taking in all the info, recognising patterns and mental maths can take months to refine so even though you may not start doing actual questions, start intentionally practising these skills. this could be done by reading a newspaper every day and noting down what you learnt from it and see if you were able to cover all the points in that article, and continue to do that faster and faster every day. you can download so many mental maths apps on your phone as well.
ukcat is a heavy exam - harder than the bmat in my opinion because it requires actual technique - so i would suggest giving yourself at least 8 weeks for heavy revision and practising questions

BMAT - even though we are studying biomed and may think we can remember gcse chem and bio you do need to basically revise the whole spec again to get a good score. this alone will take around 2 months if you want an amazing score. bmat also doesn't have a calculator so you definitely need good mental maths for this.
remember that you are also doing ukcat and bmat which is why i would suggest giving yourself a good 4 months to fully prepare your application. as you are applying oxford it may be good too apply for the september exam because starting final year whilst revising for bmat was hell on earth for me

i started revising around early august time - which was really really dumb on my part. if i have to apply again, i will start as soon as uni finishes in march (lucky final year me - 6 months of summer!!) and put myself in the best position. i suggest you do the same if you also want to add gamsat to this already heavy workload. also as you said you are in 2nd year so you may also have to prepare yourself for 3rd year so remember this

for ps please start early. i started my ps literally a week before the deadline and even though i managed to produce a decent ps, if i had given myself say a month to prepare it could have been better.

make sure to look on the unis website and see what they want in a student as this will help you to figure out what to include in your personal statement. as someone who has done a lot already you will need some guidelines on how to best refine your ps.

this is a lot to take in but please learn from my naivety

a sensible person learns from their own mistakes, a smart person learns from other peoples mistakes

let me know if you need any more advice
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I'm a recent Chemistry graduate with a 2.1 from a RG uni and I'm considering applying to graduate medicine for 2020 entry. I'm hesitant because my A Level grades are crap (B in Biology, C in Chem and B in Sociology) so I don't know if it's worth me applying. Also I'll be doing my Masters in Public Health at Warwick next year.

I'll be applying to Nottingham, St George's, Swansea and Warwick as they don't consider your A Levels. QMUL, Newcastle and Southampton are also options but they don't have as many places. Should I bother applying? The GAMSAT is over £200 and the UKCAT is around £60, I don't wanna waste my money and time studying for these tests if there's no point.

Has anyone in a similar situation gotten into grad med? I'd be sitting the GAMSAT in March so need to book it soon and start preparing for it.

I'd appreciate any advice/tips on what unis to apply to, or any other advice. Thanks.
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Plenty of people will have been in your situation and worse and got in. If you read through threads you'll realise that your situation isn't bad at all, compared to others. For many, graduate entry medicine is a second chance at medicine.

You say you have bad A-levels? Good, you're applying to the med schools which don't look at them. You got a 2:1, that means a lot of doors are open to you. There are people on here who have a 2:2 and without doing a postgraduate degree can only apply to Nottingham. Yes your degree is chemistry but there are plenty of GEM programmes which accept any degree (most I think) plus you have a B in Biology A-level. Your masters will give you bonus points at Warwick and Barts. Your position isn't bad.

GEM is competitive. Barts, Newcastle, and Southampton may not have many places, but have you seen how many applicants your other choices normally have, despite having more places? Don't worry about places, you can't do anything about that. Focus on what you need to do to get an interview. Once you have an interview your chances of getting an offer increase. And remember that it is competitive and you may very well get no offers for that cycle, but that's common throughout medicine and plenty of people reapply and get in. There's somebody on here who applied to GEM four times and finally got in.

Do you want to study medicine? If you don't then there's no point paying to sit those exams. If you do, then there's a point.
Thanks for taking the time to reply!! Barts seem to take only people with firsts so I'm not gonna apply there but do you think I should apply to Newcastle and Southampton? What do you think of my choices (warwick, st georges, swansea and notts) with my grades? and I'll be doing my masters next year but by the time i apply for GEM i'll just have started my masters so don't think it'll be taken into account for my GEM applcation.
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Anyone here applying for graduate entry medicine A101 and want to join a GAMSAT study group to help each other out?
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Only if you get a very good UKCAT score. Well none of them look at A-levels and all they want is a 2:1 (or 2:2 for Nottingham), so I don't see what the issue is regarding grades. If you like their teaching styles, go for it. They may or may not want a predicted grade, but you have a 2:1 so it won't be as important probably. Might want to contact the med schools though
what would you say are the easiest unis to get into for GEM?
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I'm about to register for the GAMSAT, should i buy all of the items listed below?

GAMSAT Practice Test 3 £28
GAMSAT Practice Test 2 £28
GAMSAT Practice Test £28
GAMSAT Sample Questions £17
GAMSAT Online Written Communication Practice Test 1 £10
GAMSAT Online Written Communication Practice Test 2 £10

The total price including the test adds up to £383 so i dunno if i should buy all these practice tests, thanks
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how does section 2 of the GAMSAT work? i don't really understand, do they give you 2 essay titles and you choose which one to write? thanks
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how does section 2 of the GAMSAT work? i don't really understand, do they give you 2 essay titles and you choose which one to write? thanks
Hi from my understanding in the first section, you are given about 5 quotes and you have to identify the common theme and write about it in an expository manor.

the second essay i believe is the same except it is more personal and allows you to write in first person.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Hi from my understanding in the first section, you are given about 5 quotes and you have to identify the common theme and write about it in an expository manor.

the second essay i believe is the same except it is more personal and allows you to write in first person.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
I have no idea, I’m really worried about section 2 I don’t even understand what to do properly
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I am 31 years now. I am married with 3 year old daughter I am working in IT for the last 10 years. I am earning good enough.
But my passion has been always to become a Doctor. Wondering if I can join Graduate Entry Medicine or Undergraduate medicine in 2020. I have few questions. It will be great if someone can throw some light.

1) I am in Indian. I live here as ILR - dependant. My husband holds an ILR. I have been here for moe than 3 years but haven't completed 5 years yet. So yet to apply my ILR. Will I be eligible for home tuition fees ?

2) I would like to complete medicine and go back to India to serve the needy people there as they lack proper medical facilities. If I take Graduate Entry Medicine , will the degree be accepted in other countries like India as its a four year course instead of 5 years.

3) If I would like to go back to India after medical degree , should i complete the foundation years ( FY1 and FY2) after the MB ChB course ? Or is it necessary for people only practising here ?

4) Which one should I take Graduate Entry Medicine or Undergraduate medicine . I have 2.1 in my Bachelors ( Computer Science engineering). I did my A levels in India. I got 198/200 in Biology , 199/200 in Physics , 198/200 in Chemistry and an overall 95%. Sorry not sure how to convert to Alevels here.
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Thanks for the quick reply I think it's better to wait until I get an ILR. One more question, please .
Sorry, they may be sound quite silly.

Are the foundation years FY1, FY2 and specialities post foundation years mandatory? Or is it mandatory only for those who want to join NHS.
Will I qualify as Doctor if I don't complete Fy1, fy2
Is it ok to take gap after medical school before taking FY1 , how much gap will be OK ?
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...Are the foundation years FY1, FY2 and specialities post foundation years mandatory?
No, there are not mandatory.

Or is it mandatory only for those who want to join NHS.
They are for those who want to specialise and become a consultant / GP. You can remain and FY2 / equivalent grade forever if you wanted to.

You can also leave the NHS and do private work (conventionally as a consultant), but you can do as an FY2.

Will I qualify as Doctor if I don't complete Fy1, fy2
Yes, you will be a doctor after doing 5 years (or 4 years GEM course). If you do want to come back to the UK though, if you didn't do FY1 you will only be able to obtain provisional registration. After FY1 things open up because you will have full registration with the GMC.

Is it ok to take gap after medical school before taking FY1 , how much gap will be OK ?
Unconventional. Most people do it after FY2 - a lot of foundation schools bundle the 2 years together so you will know your location (even jobs) before you take or pass your medical school finals.

The gap (usually after FY2 as I said) can be as long or short as you like. A lot of people take 1 year, less people take 2 years and I imagine even less takes 3 or more years.
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No, there are not mandatory.



They are for those who want to specialise and become a consultant / GP. You can remain and FY2 / equivalent grade forever if you wanted to.

You can also leave the NHS and do private work (conventionally as a consultant), but you can do as an FY2.



Yes, you will be a doctor after doing 5 years (or 4 years GEM course). If you do want to come back to the UK though, if you didn't do FY1 you will only be able to obtain provisional registration. After FY1 things open up because you will have full registration with the GMC.



Unconventional. Most people do it after FY2 - a lot of foundation schools bundle the 2 years together so you will know your location (even jobs) before you take or pass your medical school finals.

The gap (usually after FY2 as I said) can be as long or short as you like. A lot of people take 1 year, less people take 2 years and I imagine even less takes 3 or more years.
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No, there are not mandatory.



They are for those who want to specialise and become a consultant / GP. You can remain and FY2 / equivalent grade forever if you wanted to.

You can also leave the NHS and do private work (conventionally as a consultant), but you can do as an FY2.



Yes, you will be a doctor after doing 5 years (or 4 years GEM course). If you do want to come back to the UK though, if you didn't do FY1 you will only be able to obtain provisional registration. After FY1 things open up because you will have full registration with the GMC.



Unconventional. Most people do it after FY2 - a lot of foundation schools bundle the 2 years together so you will know your location (even jobs) before you take or pass your medical school finals.

The gap (usually after FY2 as I said) can be as long or short as you like. A lot of people take 1 year, less people take 2 years and I imagine even less takes 3 or more years.

So is it ok if I leave UK after FY2 for practising abroad? Will I have a chance to continue my career here in the UK (ie to take up specialization) in case if I wanted to come back to the UK ? PS: Visa shouldn't be a problem as my partner holds ILR.
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