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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    You make liberal sound bad
    Bad? Liberals like you aren't bad, just a bit confused, but you're from Vermont, so that's to be expected. It's not really your fault. It's the place you're from and the type of people you are surrounded by that is the problem.

    Vermont is one of the most outspokenly liberal states in the Union. Vermont's dangerous idealogy is best reflected by the marxist Ben Cohen of Ben and Jerry's ice cream (your most famous export), which I boycott. The co-founder of Ben and Jerry's argued the U.S. government is looking for a new villain to justify a Pentagon budget increase, and to prove his point, wrote this on September 4th:

    "ENEMY WANTED. Serious enemy needed to justify Pentagon budget increase. Defense contractors desperate. Interested enemies send letter and photo or video (threatening, ok) to Enemy Search Committee, Priorities Campaign, 1350 Broadway, NY, NY, 10018."

    This wanted ad was part of an article he wrote arguing for cutting defense. It's very ironic that this was published on September 4th and it shows you naive liberals really are.
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    (Original post by vienna95)

    reading any of the articles that I provided shows that there were links, the evidence is overwhelming in that respect.


    al-Zarqawi was aided and given shelter in Baghdad, that is a link. period.

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    Again, while I speak of the final report of the 9/11 committee, you quote declarations by individual Members.

    According to the BBC, the link between Zarqawi and Al-Qaida is disputed;and Bin Laden and Zarquawi might in fact be rivals.

    From BBC news:

    Last Updated: Thursday, 1 July, 2004, 09:49 GMT 10:49 UK


    "Profile: Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - a man notorious for his alleged ruthlessness - has been linked to al-Qaeda and is the prime suspect in some of the deadliest attacks around the world.

    (...)
    Rival or ally?

    In the run-up to the Iraq war in February 2003, US Secretary of State Colin Powell told the United Nations Mr Zarqawi was an associate of Osama Bin Laden who had sought refuge in Iraq.

    Intelligence reports indicated he was in Baghdad and - according to Mr Powell - this was a sure sign that Saddam Hussein was courting al-Qaeda, which, in turn, justified an attack on Iraq.

    But some analysts contested the claim, pointing to Mr Zarqawi's historical rivalry with Bin Laden."

    The whole issue is a political football in the election campaign
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    (Original post by macworld)
    Again, while I speak of the final report of the 9/11 committee, you quote declarations by individual Members.
    I quoted declarations made by those on the commission panel relating to their findings, as well as pasting a paragraph from Staff Statement 15. I cited the 9/11 Commission, and this is what youre getting.

    According to the BBC, the link between Zarqawi and Al-Qaida is disputed;and Bin Laden and Zarquawi might in fact be rivals.
    some analysts? rivalry? Al-Qaeda and Saddam connived to strike the US despite being religiously opposed, the idea of rivalry wouldnt appear to be any kind of obstacle with a greater goal on offer.

    CHENEY: There's a Mr. Yasin, who was a World Trade Center bomber in '93, who fled to Iraq after that and we found since when we got into Baghdad, documents showing that he was put on the payroll and given housing by Saddam Hussein after the '93 attack; in other words, provided safe harbor and sanctuary.

    Absolutely. Look at the Zarqawi case. Here's a man who's Jordanian by birth. He's described as an al-Qaida associate. He ran training camps in Afghanistan back before we went to war in Afghanistan. After we went in and hit his training camp, he fled to Baghdad. Found safe harbor and sanctuary in Baghdad in May of 2002. He arrived with about two dozen other supporters of his, members of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which was Zawahiri's organization. He's the number two to bin Laden, which was merged with al-Qaida interchangeably. German authorities have reportedly said they believe al-Zarqawi was appointed by al-Qaida’s leadership to arrange attacks in Europe."


    heres another link..

    May 27, 2004, NewsMax.com
    Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, who attended a January 2000 al-Qaida summit in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, where the 9/11 attacks were planned, is listed among the officers on three Fedayeen rosters reviewed by U.S. probers, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday...
    Although Shakir worked for Malaysian Airlines, the Iraqi embassy controlled his schedule--told him when to report to work, when to take a day off. On January 5, 2000, Shakir received an assignment from his embassy contact. He was to escort two recent arrivals through immigration at the airport. Khalid al Midhar and Nawaz al Hamzi--two of the chief September 11 hijackers--had come to Malaysia for an important al Qaeda meeting that would last four days. That gathering would become the focus of the extensive investigation into the planning of the attack on the USS Cole on October 12, 2000, and the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon nearly a year later.
    Shakir, the Iraqi-born facilitator, would be arrested six days after the September 11 attacks, by authorities in Doha, Qatar. He had raised suspicions because of his activities during the al Qaeda meeting in Kuala Lumpur, but also because in 1993, shortly before the first attack on the World Trade Center, Shakir had received a phone call from the New Jersey safe house that served as the headquarters for that operation.
    Shakir had contact information for a lot of bad people: One was Ibrahim Suleiman, a Kuwaiti native whose fingerprints were found on the bombmaking manuals authorities allege were used in preparation for the 1993 Trade Center bombing. Suleiman was convicted of perjury and deported to Jordan. Another was Zahid Sheikh Mohammed, brother of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    Bad? Liberals like you aren't bad, just a bit confused, but you're from Vermont, so that's to be expected. It's not really your fault. It's the place you're from and the type of people you are surrounded by that is the problem.

    Vermont is one of the most outspokenly liberal states in the Union. Vermont's dangerous idealogy is best reflected by the marxist Ben Cohen of Ben and Jerry's ice cream (your most famous export), which I boycott. The co-founder of Ben and Jerry's argued the U.S. government is looking for a new villain to justify a Pentagon budget increase, and to prove his point, wrote this on September 4th:

    "ENEMY WANTED. Serious enemy needed to justify Pentagon budget increase. Defense contractors desperate. Interested enemies send letter and photo or video (threatening, ok) to Enemy Search Committee, Priorities Campaign, 1350 Broadway, NY, NY, 10018."

    This wanted ad was part of an article he wrote arguing for cutting defense. It's very ironic that this was published on September 4th and it shows you naive liberals really are.
    almost as naive as the intelligence agenices were
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    who's "the world"?

    I have to say, vienna 95, you would make a great lawyer.

    The world, is earth, 6 billion people, of which the U.S. makes up of 300 million

    im not sure you could find a country that likes U.S. foreign policy.
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    (Original post by canuck)
    I have to say, vienna 95, you would make a great lawyer.

    The world, is earth, 6 billion people, of which the U.S. makes up of 300 million

    im not sure you could find a country that likes U.S. foreign policy.
    Countries are comprised of many individuals and they don't all think exactly alike. There are many citizens of many different countries that support US foreign policy, even in yours.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    Bad? Liberals like you aren't bad, just a bit confused, but you're from Vermont, so that's to be expected. It's not really your fault. It's the place you're from and the type of people you are surrounded by that is the problem.

    Vermont is one of the most outspokenly liberal states in the Union. Vermont's dangerous idealogy is best reflected by the marxist Ben Cohen of Ben and Jerry's ice cream (your most famous export), which I boycott. The co-founder of Ben and Jerry's argued the U.S. government is looking for a new villain to justify a Pentagon budget increase, and to prove his point, wrote this on September 4th:

    "ENEMY WANTED. Serious enemy needed to justify Pentagon budget increase. Defense contractors desperate. Interested enemies send letter and photo or video (threatening, ok) to Enemy Search Committee, Priorities Campaign, 1350 Broadway, NY, NY, 10018."

    This wanted ad was part of an article he wrote arguing for cutting defense. It's very ironic that this was published on September 4th and it shows you naive liberals really are.
    Actually they sold ben and jerry's to another company. And you say Arnold's "Girlie men" was a joke, well so was that. You can't pick and chose just to make your side sound better, sorry. And your first paragraph is annoying me, don't judge me based on my state, or say i am confused because of who i support.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    I quoted declarations made by those on the commission panel relating to their findings, as well as pasting a paragraph from Staff Statement 15. I cited the 9/11 Commission, and this is what youre getting
    The only quotation from the 9/11 Committee report you made is about the 1994 meeting in Sudan. Yes, technically this is a link. Difficult however to consider it still very relevant
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    (Original post by macworld)
    The only quotation from the 9/11 Committee report you made is about the 1994 meeting in Sudan.
    among other things yes. i get the impression you believe i referred to the report document specifically, when i actually cited the commission. The commission and its panel clearly state that there were links between Al-Qaeda and Saddam, and were an example of bipartisan confirmation of such. However, the commission did not have a scope wider than the events of 9/11 and much of the more conclusive evidence was simply not taken into consideration.

    Yes, technically this is a link. Difficult however to consider it still very relevant
    Atta, Shakir and Zaqawi are all intelligence links that I find very relevant. Links that Vice President Cheney cited and substantiated, including Shakir and Zaqawi among others.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    Countries are comprised of many individuals and they don't all think exactly alike. There are many citizens of many different countries that support US foreign policy, even in yours.

    20% now support the war. When it was in its prime, in march 2003, it was 35%. American foreign policy greatly effects canada. Since september 11th, trade has decreased between the 2 countries

    25% tarrifs on softwood lumber
    ban on canadian beef

    Many canadain politicians call bush a moron openly in parliment.

    simply saying "what goes around, comes around"
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    (Original post by canuck)
    25% tarrifs on softwood lumber
    ban on canadian beef
    Can they do this since I thought there was an agreement on free trade, NAFTA? :confused:
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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    Actually they sold ben and jerry's to another company. And you say Arnold's "Girlie men" was a joke, well so was that. You can't pick and chose just to make your side sound better, sorry. And your first paragraph is annoying me, don't judge me based on my state, or say i am confused because of who i support.
    The section that included the wanted ad was an attempt at humor and I understand that he was trying to make a joke, but he was very serious in the rest of the infamous article. He was being very naive in making the case that there was no reason to justify spending on defense. It was days before 9/11/01 when this article was written:

    http://www.alternet.org/story/11427

    Liberals like Ben Cohen are dangerous for America
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    Can they do this since I thought there was an agreement on free trade, NAFTA? :confused:
    I know that the ban on beef is a precaution because there was an instance of Mad Cow disease in Canadian beef.

    I don't know about softwood lumber tariffs, though.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    The section that included the wanted ad was an attempt at humor and I understand that he was trying to make a joke, but he was very serious in the rest of the infamous article. He was being very naive in making the case that there was no reason to justify spending on defense. It was days before 9/11/01 when this article was written:

    http://www.alternet.org/story/11427

    Liberals like Ben Cohen are dangerous for America
    if it wasn't days before 9/11, who would remember? Bad timing.
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    I know that the ban on beef is a precaution because there was an instance of Mad Cow disease in Canadian beef.

    I don't know about softwood lumber tariffs, though.
    The US and Canada have been having a dispute over softwood lumber for years and both countries would like to put the issue to bed. Canadians insist that their softwood lumber is not being subsidized and we disagree. The USA keeps imposing tariffs like an "anti-dumping duty", among others, on their softwood lumber exports.

    Canadian politicians saying things like "Damn Americans — I hate those *******s" or those that call Bush a moron are not doing much for improving US-Canadian relations.
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    (Original post by Farrdango)
    Why do people expect so much from one man?
    Because he insists on being the president of the socalled superpower of the world suffering from what at times appears to be a God like complex. He can always resign - but he won't. It's all in his job description.
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    (Original post by Outrageous)
    Because he insists on being the president
    Well, that and 500 million people who democratically voted him into office.

    of the socalled superpower of the world
    i take it you dont agree?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    Well, that and 500 million people who democratically voted him into office.
    I'm with you 100%, but just wanted to make one clarification.
    The USA's population, despite being such a large country, is only about 293,600,000.
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    (Original post by Outrageous)
    Because he insists on being the president of the socalled superpower of the world suffering from what at times appears to be a God like complex. He can always resign - but he won't. It's all in his job description.
    Imagine that, a person who insists on doing the job that they are hired to do.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    I'm with you 100%, but just wanted to make one clarification.
    The USA's population, despite being such a large country, is only about 293,600,000.
    hmm, where did I get 500 from? :confused:
 
 
 
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