Labour will avoid cliff edge Brexit

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ChaoticButterfly
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Labour explicitly backs single market, customs union membership and free movement during the transition.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...P=share_btn_tw

Labour are now the party for a stable economy as apposed to the reckless Tories and their hard Brexit cliff edge they want to take us over.

For a strong stable economy, the choice is clear, VOTE LABOUR. :yeah: :awesome:
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I think we need to have single market as a transitional step, but we should free ourselves from Europe long term. The EU is going to come tumbling down due to the diverging economies across the bloc, and we need to be away from the single market at that point. But rather than a cliff edge Brexit, we should go for a more gradual approach. No point cutting our nose off in one fell swoop.

I also like the way Labour are approaching Brexit. I'm a hard Brexiter and from a stereotypical Leave area. Yet Labour did better here than ever (I voted for them despite thinking I would never early in the campaign - in part because of Corbyn's approach to Brexit). Labour are able to have a Brexit that suits everyone - not hard enough to cause a sharp shock to the economy now, but hopefully not soft enough to crash our economy when the EU goes pop.
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If the EU falls, we fall regardless of whether we are in and out. It is in our interest to ensure the EU remains stable.
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Its not up to the UK govt which brexit we get, its the EU.
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Hard brexit soft brexit and now cliff edge brexit, dear god what next?? Soft boiled brexit, fried brexit, steamed brexit, boiled brexit?????
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There is no 'hard' or 'soft' Brexit, there is just Brexit.
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(Original post by ChiggenLiggen)
Hard brexit soft brexit and now cliff edge brexit, dear god what next?? Soft boiled brexit, fried brexit, steamed brexit, boiled brexit?????
Kentucky fried brexit
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(Original post by meenu89)
There is no 'hard' or 'soft' Brexit, there is just Brexit.
Exactly. Either in the EU, or not in the EU. Not half-in, half-out like it's the hokey-cokey.
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I can't believe its not brexit.
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We should have a vote on the terms of the deal. It is not too late to change our minds, and if more young people had bothered to vote, we would not have voted for this act of economic self-harm in the first place.
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(Original post by Reality Check)
Exactly. Either in the EU, or not in the EU. Not half-in, half-out like it's the hokey-cokey.
I wouldn't be so sure. I'd consider the EEA/EFTA approach as the best way of going about the departure yet it'd be struck down as 'soft' rather naively.
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I wouldn't be so sure. I'd consider the EEA/EFTA approach as the best way of going about the departure yet it'd be struck down as 'soft' rather naively.
I was going to say - wouldn't that be a gift for the Jacob Rees Moggs of this world? I agree with you, by the way but I don't see it being politically achievable. Not with the current 'black or white, on or off, EU or not EU' public political discourse we have at the moment, anyway.
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To be fair, when it comes to politics what the party says and what the party actually does is a big difference. I dont expect this to final shift they make, 6 months down the line and they may shift again. If public opinion shifts so will their policy.
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(Original post by Reality Check)
I was going to say - wouldn't that be a gift for the Jacob Rees Moggs of this world? I agree with you, by the way but I don't see it being politically achievable. Not with the current 'black or white, on or off, EU or not EU' public political discourse we have at the moment, anyway.
Precisely and that's what makes it a damned shame. We have a real opportunity to come out of this stronger but public perception/understanding of the whole thing means it won't happen and when you've got the likes of Theresa May advocating or otherwise wafting around empty rhetoric about 'no deal' better than a 'bad deal' it doesn't help.
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I see brexit as a Darwinian experiment. The people who voted for brexit are usually the poorest and least well educated and will be the worse affected in any economic downturn after brexit.

The people who voted remain were the well off and educated and will be the ones that even if the country were to suffer a lot, have the ability to emigrate and get jobs in another country like Australia unlike the leave voters who can't.

In the end, Brexit will probably accelerate the death of the older, poorer leave voters by cuts in pensions, the NHS and social services,
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(Original post by meenu89)
There is no 'hard' or 'soft' Brexit, there is just Brexit.
What about a red white and blue brexit?

There is a difference between not being in the single market and being in the single market. Both of these variables can occur in a Brexit and produce different outcomes.

If there is only Brexit then you wont mind the democratic deficit (having even less say over what the rules of that market are) of being in the single market? All Brexits are the same after all.
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(Original post by Reality Check)
Not with the current 'black or white, on or off, EU or not EU' public political discourse we have at the moment, anyway.
But you literally just contributed to that black and white discourse two seconds ago!

"Exactly. Either in the EU, or not in the EU. Not half-in, half-out like it's the hokey-cokey." - RC
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This will lose Labour seats in Northern working class areas.
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It depends what they mean by TRANSITIONAL step.

Delighted Labour has promised this, a good compromise and actual challenge the Tory narrative. That said, Lab need to comment more about beginning drawing up plans for a EU/Canada deal if they were doing to negotiate an EEC style arrangement.

Not sure exactly how this would work, but I'm in favour.
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(Original post by Maker)
I see brexit as a Darwinian experiment. The people who voted for brexit are usually the poorest and least well educated and will be the worse affected in any economic downturn after brexit.

The people who voted remain were the well off and educated and will be the ones that even if the country were to suffer a lot, have the ability to emigrate and get jobs in another country like Australia unlike the leave voters who can't.

In the end, Brexit will probably accelerate the death of the older, poorer leave voters by cuts in pensions, the NHS and social services,
Or pensioners will just prioritise voting to protect their pensions
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