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Reply 1

its true, basically on this course an MPhil is awarded as all undergrad degrees are awarded an MA so they have to distinguish between an undergrad MA and a post grad masters. BTW a mate did this course 2005-2006, said it was great and now he has a minted job in London. he did his undergrad at cam to tho. he really enjoyed it

Reply 2

flexiblefish
... as all undergrad degrees are awarded an MA ...

seriously? undergrads awarded MA:eek:

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i am applying for economics. they have option A and B which according to their prospectus are in essence equivalent to a taugh and research MSc elsewhere, respectively. my MIT friend was astounded i applied for Mphil.. but i thought its just the way they entitle their degree:biggrin:

Reply 3

bubblicious
seriously? undergrads awarded MA:eek:

They're not "proper" MAs (as in postgraduate degrees), really. They're not worth any more than regular BAs, it's basically just a historical thing. Scottish universities do that as well.

Reply 4

what hobnob, but cambridge is clearly better than all other unis and a degree there is much harder, therfore surely they deserve an MA, cambridge degree>>>>>>>>>>>>Salford so why not show it with an MA:wink:

Reply 5

bubblicious
seriously? undergrads awarded MA:eek:

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i am applying for economics. they have option A and B which according to their prospectus are in essence equivalent to a taugh and research MSc elsewhere, respectively. my MIT friend was astounded i applied for Mphil.. but i thought its just the way they entitle their degree:biggrin:


it is something like 9 terms after graduating or some rubbish like that, you dont get it straight away, and you do have to pay an admin fee

Reply 6

flexiblefish
what hobnob, but cambridge is clearly better than all other unis and a degree there is much harder, therfore surely they deserve an MA, cambridge degree>>>>>>>>>>>>Salford so why not show it with an MA:wink:

Duh, how could I forget that!

Obviously a Cambridge MA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a PhD from any other university:p:

Disclaimer: please don't quote me on this, I'm only joking. Cambridge degrees are by no means superior to everything else. Oxford degrees pwn them anytime.

Reply 7

flexiblefish
it is something like 9 terms after graduating or some rubbish like that, you dont get it straight away, and you do have to pay an admin fee


lol... thats slow:s-smilie:


u know anyone doing economics postgrad at cambridge?
how come no one's replying my thread:'(

Reply 8

bubblicious
lol... thats slow:s-smilie:

Still quicker than Oxford, though.:wink:

Reply 9

bubblicious

u know anyone doing economics postgrad at cambridge?
how come no one's replying my thread:'(


Possibly because no-one is a postgrad economist?

As for undergrad MAs - either make them do the extra work to deserve such a degree or stop awarding them given that we now have undergraduate masters degrees available that do entail extra work beyond BSc/BA level.

Reply 10

ChemistBoy
As for undergrad MAs - either make them do the extra work to deserve such a degree or stop awarding them given that we now have undergraduate masters degrees available that do entail extra work beyond BSc/BA level.

That's a fair enough point to make, but I don't see why those "MAs" are such a problem, to be honest. They don't count as postgraduate qualifications, after all, and I doubt they'll give anyone an undeserved advantage.:dontknow:
As far as I know, lots of people don't even bother to "convert" their BAs. I probably will, actually, but that's not because I intend to deceive anyone about my qualifications but simply because it'll be a good excuse to go back for a day and meet up with friends and former tutors.

Reply 11

hobnob
That's a fair enough point to make, but I don't see why those "MAs" are such a problem, to be honest. They don't count as postgraduate qualifications, after all, and I doubt they'll give anyone an undeserved advantage.


Not in academia, but I can't trust other employers to know that. But conversely it's annoying for me (and potentially problematic) because I got an proper undergraduate masters from an institution that carries out this archaic tradition and I have already had my degree erroneously described by someone (luckily in my presence) as only of bachelor's level because of this practice, even though I had to do extra, advanced work on top of the BSc syllabus.


As far as I know, lots of people don't even bother to "convert" their BAs.


But in the scottish ancients the MA is awarded immediately upon graduation creating a real problem in my opinion.

Reply 12

ChemistBoy
Not in academia, but I can't trust other employers to know that. But conversely it's annoying for me (and potentially problematic) because I got an proper undergraduate masters from an institution that carries out this archaic tradition and I have already had my degree erroneously described by someone (luckily in my presence) as only of bachelor's level because of this practice, even though I had to do extra, advanced work on top of the BSc syllabus.

You mean they can't even be trusted to know that "proper" undergraduate master's degrees aren't called 'MAs'?:confused:

But in the scottish ancients the MA is awarded immediately upon graduation creating a real problem in my opinion.

Ah, right. I didn't realise the Scottish universities awarded them straight away, alongside actual undergraduate master's degrees. In that case you're right, it probably would avoid a lot of confusion just to abolish that tradition.

Reply 13

You can't actually go around telling people you have a masters, you have a MAcantab. People know it's not a 'real' award. You get it 5 or 6 years after you matriculate (I forget which). It used to be awarded as a level at which you were able to teach others after you'd gotten your degree and gone off into the 'real world' to learn about more than how to pass exams, then you get your MA and are allowed to teach. Obviously now it's just kept on as an historical remnant.

And we don't have BScs here either. You get a BA for everything (apart from all the vet and medicine complicated stuff that I wouldn't know about).

Reply 14

ChemistBoy
Not in academia, but I can't trust other employers to know that. But conversely it's annoying for me (and potentially problematic) because I got an proper undergraduate masters from an institution that carries out this archaic tradition and I have already had my degree erroneously described by someone (luckily in my presence) as only of bachelor's level because of this practice, even though I had to do extra, advanced work on top of the BSc syllabus.



But in the scottish ancients the MA is awarded immediately upon graduation creating a real problem in my opinion.

In scotland they do an extra year though. People get awarded MAs at Cambridge straight away if they've done the extra year that gives them a MA (e.g. engineering and natsci)

And no one could mistake a MA from Cambridge because it doesn't exist. If I get my MPhil from here then everyone knows that's my masters and not my MAcantab.

Reply 15

puppy
In scotland they do an extra year though.


So do people who receive BSc's

Reply 16

puppy
And we don't have BScs here either. You get a BA for everything (apart from all the vet and medicine complicated stuff that I wouldn't know about).

Actually, IIRC, Medicine is a BA. It's only three years later, having done clinical medicine, that you get the MBB/ChIr. But you still end up with BA/MA (Cantab) as well.

puppy
In scotland they do an extra year though. People get awarded MAs at Cambridge straight away if they've done the extra year that gives them a MA (e.g. engineering and natsci)

I thought they got MScis? They still only get the MA years after, but get an MSci straight away. They only get a BA if they leave after 3 years. That's certainly what happens at Oxford, and I'm 99% sure friends of mine who did NatSci ended yp with MSci.

But that's just naming, your points obviously stand. I'm just being a pedant :redface:

Reply 17

puppy
In scotland they do an extra year though. People get awarded MAs at Cambridge straight away if they've done the extra year that gives them a MA (e.g. engineering and natsci)

And no one could mistake a MA from Cambridge because it doesn't exist. If I get my MPhil from here then everyone knows that's my masters and not my MAcantab.

Not quite - the 4th year NatScis get an MSci and 4th year Engineers get an MEng. They get their BA at the same time, and that converts to an MA the same as the rest of us, so they get one real masters and one fake one.

As for Medicine Will, you're nearly right, but our BA isn't really in "Medicine" as such. I'd probably say mine was in Natural Sciences at the moment, as that's what my part II tripos was. My MBBChir will be in Medicine.

Reply 18

HELP!

I have an interview for the Mfin at Cambridge...

Does anyone have any tips? You always hear about off the wall Cambridge interviews, so im not sure what to expect???

Help any body???

Reply 19

Jamid_1985 can I ask what Undergrad you have to be able to get an interview on Mphil Finance at Cambridge?