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Why do England fans/English clubs have such **** atmosphere?

Is it because people are becoming increasingly disillusioned to football as a sport?

Is it the high costs of season tickets, pricing out the more vocal and passionate working class fans?

Is it all the tourists and immigrants who frequent games but don't actually care about the clubs history?

Or is it because you're all nancies down there.
Reply 1
Nobody cares about your dead country. :smile:
Shut up fool
Can't muster up a decent atmosphere, but poke them with a metaphorical stick on the internet and watch their balls grow
Original post by IamJacksContempt
Is it because people are becoming increasingly disillusioned to football as a sport?

Is it the high costs of season tickets, pricing out the more vocal and passionate working class fans?

Is it all the tourists and immigrants who frequent games but don't actually care about the clubs history?

Or is it because you're all nancies down there.


Just go watch rugby, so much better than the babies in football
Reply 5
Original post by IamJacksContempt
Can't muster up a decent atmosphere, but poke them with a metaphorical stick on the internet and watch their balls grow


I actually agree with you, that marching band they bring with them to away games is cringey as **** too.

That doesn't take away from the fact that nobody cares about scotland
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Back on topic for a moment. Disregarding the International shite, the loss of atmosphere is a real factor in the modern Premier league era

Liverpool used to be synonymous with brilliant atmosphere. Now...
Original post by IamJacksContempt
Is it because people are becoming increasingly disillusioned to football as a sport?

Is it the high costs of season tickets, pricing out the more vocal and passionate working class fans?

Is it all the tourists and immigrants who frequent games but don't actually care about the clubs history?

Or is it because you're all nancies down there.


Depends what level of football you're talking about
Original post by IamJacksContempt
Liverpool used to be synonymous with brilliant atmosphere. Now...


The core support has been priced out of going, same at a lot of PL grounds.
You'll find a lot of the vocal fans have packed it in and only do away games. Old Trafford is a morgue but our away fans are the best around.

There are many reasons for this.

- High cost of tickets when wages aren't rising and are worth less and less every year due to inflation.
- Increased focus being a day out. There's a lot more tourists/families compared to 20 years ago
- The people who were active on the terraces in the 80s are now older and still have their season tickets, but have no interest in signing/standing anymore. Younger people are unable to get tickets as demand heavily outstrips supply.
- Lack of safe standing. Most clubs have an unofficial standing area where you're left alone (Stretford End, Kop, Matthew Harding etc), but if you do it anywhere else you're in trouble.

It's unfixable - the days of Liverpool v Stoke or Man United v Burnley having a cauldron of noise are gone. The league will never admit to anything as it damages their product, the clubs will never lower prices as it damages their profits, and no Government will give any time to safe standing legislation whilst Brexit is being discussed.
Original post by sr90
You'll find a lot of the vocal fans have packed it in and only do away games. Old Trafford is a morgue but our away fans are the best around.

There are many reasons for this.

- High cost of tickets when wages aren't rising and are worth less and less every year due to inflation.
- Increased focus being a day out. There's a lot more tourists/families compared to 20 years ago
- The people who were active on the terraces in the 80s are now older and still have their season tickets, but have no interest in signing/standing anymore. Younger people are unable to get tickets as demand heavily outstrips supply.
- Lack of safe standing. Most clubs have an unofficial standing area where you're left alone (Stretford End, Kop, Matthew Harding etc), but if you do it anywhere else you're in trouble.

It's unfixable - the days of Liverpool v Stoke or Man United v Burnley having a cauldron of noise are gone. The league will never admit to anything as it damages their product, the clubs will never lower prices as it damages their profits, and no Government will give any time to safe standing legislation whilst Brexit is being discussed.


That's a lot of it, but I think one of the big reasons everyone misses when talking about atmosphere in football is the fact that the game itself has changed.

The overall pace of the game has slowed down at a lot of clubs, with more emphasis on technical skill and "midfield battles" and holding possession of the ball than on rapid blood-and-thunder attacking football with 2 wingers and 2 centre forwards as was often the case in the past.

With the introduction of 4-5-1, "parking the bus", "tiki-taki", "false 9s" and all this other post-millenial nonsense the game has gone from being exciting to being ... interesting? (I'd go for "dull as dishwater" personally but I'll appease the football hipsters on this one). It's nice to sit and observe passively sometimes but how often is anyone really on the edge of their seat, buzzing, hyped up and fully engaged with their eyes glued to the pitch at a football match in 2017?

If people want loud, passionate reactions then find something that excites people to the point where they want to react loudly and passionately to what they're watching. You know, like football used to.
Original post by IanDangerously
That's a lot of it, but I think one of the big reasons everyone misses when talking about atmosphere in football is the fact that the game itself has changed.

The overall pace of the game has slowed down at a lot of clubs, with more emphasis on technical skill and "midfield battles" and holding possession of the ball than on rapid blood-and-thunder attacking football with 2 wingers and 2 centre forwards as was often the case in the past.

With the introduction of 4-5-1, "parking the bus", "tiki-taki", "false 9s" and all this other post-millenial nonsense the game has gone from being exciting to being ... interesting? (I'd go for "dull as dishwater" personally but I'll appease the football hipsters on this one). It's nice to sit and observe passively sometimes but how often is anyone really on the edge of their seat, buzzing, hyped up and fully engaged with their eyes glued to the pitch at a football match in 2017?

If people want loud, passionate reactions then find something that excites people to the point where they want to react loudly and passionately to what they're watching. You know, like football used to.


Maybe football in the PL is a lot more negative than it used to be, teams are playing not to lose rather than to win hence you get dull games. You only get good ones if both teams have diabolical defences and you end up with a goal fest, where basically both teams just go **** it and try to outscore each other (eg the Liverpool vs Norwich game in Klopps first tenure as Liverpool manager or any of the high scoring PL games in the opening weekend of this season).
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Original post by IanDangerously
That's a lot of it, but I think one of the big reasons everyone misses when talking about atmosphere in football is the fact that the game itself has changed.


Original post by samir12
Maybe football in the PL is a lot more negative than it used to be, teams are playing not to lose rather than to win hence you get dull games. You only get good ones if both teams have diabolical defences and you end up with a goal fest, where basically both teams just go **** it and try to outscore each other (eg the Liverpool vs Norwich game in Klopps first tenure as Liverpool manager or any of the high scoring PL games in the opening weekend of this season).


Problem to many extents is that in the Premier League you've got 6 teams hoping to win the title, Everton, and then everyone else who considers avoiding relegation as a successful season. Last season was horrific where you had 75% of the league with nothing to play for as early as March. The only team to come to Old Trafford and actually have a go last season were Manchester City.

Everything is so easily available nowadays that there's not a lot of excitement anymore - international football suffers from this immensely. You know who is going to play, you know what the tactics are, you know what the players can do.
It is a feature of the Premier League. You can get more passion and atmosphere in the lower leagues or National League.
Too many corporates at games and a lack of safe standing. Personally one of the reasons I love Italian and German football is the atmosphere, whilst they have issues with fan safety and ultras, ticket prices are very cheap meaning supporters aren't priced out.
Reply 15
So true, the premiership fans look like there at a school assembly 🤣
Original post by IamJacksContempt
Is it because people are becoming increasingly disillusioned to football as a sport?

Is it the high costs of season tickets, pricing out the more vocal and passionate working class fans?

Is it all the tourists and immigrants who frequent games but don't actually care about the clubs history?

Or is it because you're all nancies down there.


All these reasons you named led to that atmosphere. The biggest one in my opinion is that the people can't afford or don't want afford the expensive tickets and another costs (food and drinks!) just to support their team.

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