Why do England fans/English clubs have such **** atmosphere?

Is it because people are becoming increasingly disillusioned to football as a sport?

Is it the high costs of season tickets, pricing out the more vocal and passionate working class fans?

Is it all the tourists and immigrants who frequent games but don't actually care about the clubs history?

Or is it because you're all nancies down there.

Can't muster up a decent atmosphere, but poke them with a metaphorical stick on the internet and watch their balls grow

Is it because people are becoming increasingly disillusioned to football as a sport?

Is it the high costs of season tickets, pricing out the more vocal and passionate working class fans?

Is it all the tourists and immigrants who frequent games but don't actually care about the clubs history?

Or is it because you're all nancies down there.

Liverpool used to be synonymous with brilliant atmosphere. Now...

You'll find a lot of the vocal fans have packed it in and only do away games. Old Trafford is a morgue but our away fans are the best around.

There are many reasons for this.

- High cost of tickets when wages aren't rising and are worth less and less every year due to inflation.
- Increased focus being a day out. There's a lot more tourists/families compared to 20 years ago
- The people who were active on the terraces in the 80s are now older and still have their season tickets, but have no interest in signing/standing anymore. Younger people are unable to get tickets as demand heavily outstrips supply.
- Lack of safe standing. Most clubs have an unofficial standing area where you're left alone (Stretford End, Kop, Matthew Harding etc), but if you do it anywhere else you're in trouble.

It's unfixable - the days of Liverpool v Stoke or Man United v Burnley having a cauldron of noise are gone. The league will never admit to anything as it damages their product, the clubs will never lower prices as it damages their profits, and no Government will give any time to safe standing legislation whilst Brexit is being discussed.

That's a lot of it, but I think one of the big reasons everyone misses when talking about atmosphere in football is the fact that the game itself has changed.

The overall pace of the game has slowed down at a lot of clubs, with more emphasis on technical skill and "midfield battles" and holding possession of the ball than on rapid blood-and-thunder attacking football with 2 wingers and 2 centre forwards as was often the case in the past.

With the introduction of 4-5-1, "parking the bus", "tiki-taki", "false 9s" and all this other post-millenial nonsense the game has gone from being exciting to being ... interesting? (I'd go for "dull as dishwater" personally but I'll appease the football hipsters on this one). It's nice to sit and observe passively sometimes but how often is anyone really on the edge of their seat, buzzing, hyped up and fully engaged with their eyes glued to the pitch at a football match in 2017?

If people want loud, passionate reactions then find something that excites people to the point where they want to react loudly and passionately to what they're watching. You know, like football used to.

That's a lot of it, but I think one of the big reasons everyone misses when talking about atmosphere in football is the fact that the game itself has changed.

Maybe football in the PL is a lot more negative than it used to be, teams are playing not to lose rather than to win hence you get dull games. You only get good ones if both teams have diabolical defences and you end up with a goal fest, where basically both teams just go **** it and try to outscore each other (eg the Liverpool vs Norwich game in Klopps first tenure as Liverpool manager or any of the high scoring PL games in the opening weekend of this season).

Is it because people are becoming increasingly disillusioned to football as a sport?

Is it the high costs of season tickets, pricing out the more vocal and passionate working class fans?

Is it all the tourists and immigrants who frequent games but don't actually care about the clubs history?

Or is it because you're all nancies down there.