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    look at a movie such as Wonder Woman for example. the movie was fairly average for a superhero movie, yet all the critics had to say how awesome and amazing it was so they weren't considered sexist. also, look at how in Transformers and Marvel movies female characters are forced in to have much bigger than necessary roles. what do you guys think?
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    I think Wonder Woman was a much better film than its immediate predecessor Batman vs Superman, and was recognised as such. Perhaps its popularity did get a boost from its feminist following, but I didn't see that strong an agenda in the film - she wants to save the world, and she happens to be female.

    I don't know which Marvel movies you're talking about. Spider-man focused mostly on him and the other men, with a bit of story about his girlfriend. The Avengers has Black Widow having too much prominence along with Hawkeye and Captain America (they suck in comparison to the rest, at least in the films), but that's from trying to cram a lot of characters in and isn't a feminist thing. If anything there's a lack of female characters (in the source material due to lack of demand, which then gets carried through).

    Can't really comment on the Transformers movies as I've only seen the first two, except to say that all the humans are given too much prominence in a film about robots that can squash humans by accident.
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    (Original post by TheDuo)
    Transformers and Marvel movies female characters are forced in to have much bigger than necessary roles.
    What does that mean? What sort of roles should women have? Small subservient roles where they say things like, "Gosh! You are so strong and I am so weak, but I do love kittens [giggles] although my pretty little brain can't really handle difficult things"???

    Are you suggesting women can't be leading superheros?
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    What does that mean? What sort of roles should women have? Small subservient roles where they say things like, "Gosh! You are so strong and I am so weak, but I do love kittens [giggles] although my pretty little brain can't really handle difficult things"???

    Are you suggesting women can't be leading superheros?
    try not to get too triggered. I'm saying when there are female roles, everyone has to make such an issue about how amazing and ground breaking it is to have a woman there. there is never an issue with male superheroes.
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    Feminism means films have actual female characters with their own storyline,rather than just arm candy for the male characters
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    (Original post by TheDuo)
    try not to get too triggered. I'm saying when there are female roles, everyone has to make such an issue about how amazing and ground breaking it is to have a woman there. there is never an issue with male superheroes.
    that's because it is amazing to have women representation. female - led superhero movies are generally (At least, as far as I know) pretty rare, so it's always nice to see a woman being generally badass and awesome. but this doesn't dismiss male superheroes in any way, it's just that there are so many male - led superhero movies that it isn't such a big deal compared to woman - led superhero movies
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    that's because it is amazing to have women representation. female - led superhero movies are generally (At least, as far as I know) pretty rare, so it's always nice to see a woman being generally badass and awesome. but this doesn't dismiss male superheroes in any way, it's just that there are so many male - led superhero movies that it isn't such a big deal compared to woman - led superhero movies
    however, take a movie like Wonder Woman which was quite average for a superhero movie. everyone had to say what a phenomenal movie it was as if anyone criticized it, feminists would say its sexist, even if someone's issue was just with the lighting, pace or dialogue. this forces everyone to over-praise a fairly average movie.
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    (Original post by TheDuo)
    however, take a movie like Wonder Woman which was quite average for a superhero movie. everyone had to say what a phenomenal movie it was as if anyone criticized it, feminists would say its sexist, even if someone's issue was just with the lighting, pace or dialogue. this forces everyone to over-praise a fairly average movie.
    Not really. You seem to show a preference that Wonderwoman should have been played by a man or not made at all.

    I thought the film was pretty good and a lot better than all the other DC rubbish (excluding Nolan who doesnt count).
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    Not really. You seem to show a preference that Wonderwoman should have been played by a man or not made at all.

    I thought the film was pretty good and a lot better than all the other DC rubbish (excluding Nolan who doesnt count).
    good, but bot even remotely close to what many say. compare WW to the MCU, and it looks pretty poor.
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    I kinda agree. Take the Ghostbusters remake. This is a remake that didn't need to happen even with an all male cast let alone an all female cast. If someone suggested doing it with an all male cast, they would have been turned down for messing with a classic but because it was a female cast, it was lauded despite it being a mediocre film.
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    (Original post by Guru Jason)
    I kinda agree. Take the Ghostbusters remake. This is a remake that didn't need to happen even with an all male cast let alone an all female cast. If someone suggested doing it with an all male cast, they would have been turned down for messing with a classic but because it was a female cast, it was lauded despite it being a mediocre film.
    1. Remakes/ reboots are made all the time. You cant use the messing with a classic argument unless it actually rings true, even then its all about money.

    2. Ghostbusters got panned because it was a very poor film that added nothing irrespective of who was in it.
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    (Original post by Guru Jason)
    I kinda agree. Take the Ghostbusters remake. This is a remake that didn't need to happen even with an all male cast let alone an all female cast. If someone suggested doing it with an all male cast, they would have been turned down for messing with a classic but because it was a female cast, it was lauded despite it being a mediocre film.
    thank you! exactly.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    1. Remakes/ reboots are made all the time. You cant use the messing with a classic argument unless it actually rings true, even then its all about money.

    2. Ghostbusters got panned because it was a very poor film that added nothing irrespective of who was in it.
    first point exactly right. second one completely wrong. the main 4 cast were utterly disgraceful. Hemsworth was the best thing in it.
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    (Original post by TheDuo)
    try not to get too triggered. I'm saying when there are female roles, everyone has to make such an issue about how amazing and ground breaking it is to have a woman there. there is never an issue with male superheroes.
    Maybe thats because the only superheros we have are male ones.
    Maybe it wouldnt be such a new and novel thing if Hollywood had made more female super hero movies? As it is, its one of a very small number of films.
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    (Original post by TheDuo)
    look at a movie such as Wonder Woman for example. the movie was fairly average for a superhero movie, yet all the critics had to say how awesome and amazing it was so they weren't considered sexist. also, look at how in Transformers and Marvel movies female characters are forced in to have much bigger than necessary roles. what do you guys think?
    Not exactly 'feminism'. More like they're trying to appeal to as wide an audience as possible; the bottom line is money, not gender politics. There are more women than men! Also, stop watching s*** films expecting complete satisfaction.
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    (Original post by Perfuddled)
    Not exactly 'feminism'. More like they're trying to appeal to as wide an audience as possible; the bottom line is money, not gender politics. There are more women than men! Also, stop watching s*** films expecting complete satisfaction.
    last time I checked, the avengers, guardians of the galaxy and dark knight trilogy completely satisfied me. WW didn't.
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    (Original post by TheDuo)
    however, take a movie like Wonder Woman which was quite average for a superhero movie. everyone had to say what a phenomenal movie it was as if anyone criticized it, feminists would say its sexist, even if someone's issue was just with the lighting, pace or dialogue. this forces everyone to over-praise a fairly average movie.
    I get what you're saying - but feminism isn't ruining the movies is it? It's having no effect on the movie at all.

    As for Transformers....come on. I'm not into feminism at all, but it's clear to me that anything Michael Bay is inherently sexualising. The cinematography especially with regard to Megan Fox is pretty much pornography as far as definitions go - it's the same camera work he used in Bad Boys with Tea Leoni.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Maybe thats because the only superheros we have are male ones.
    Maybe it wouldnt be such a new and novel thing if Hollywood had made more female super hero movies? As it is, its one of a very small number of films.
    thankfully! Elektra and Catwoman were THE worst superhero movies ever.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    I get what you're saying - but feminism isn't ruining the movies is it? It's having no effect on the movie at all.

    As for Transformers....come on. I'm not into feminism at all, but it's clear to me that anything Michael Bay is inherently sexualising. The cinematography especially with regard to Megan Fox is pretty much pornography as far as definitions go - it's the same camera work he used in Bad Boys with Tea Leoni.
    exactly, but when we think of strong female characters, directors have to make them so emotionless, overly aggressive and angry that they lose all character. e.g Annabeth Chase, Astrid Hofferson, Neytiri, Elektra, Jessica Jones etc.
 
 
 
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