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I can actually write a wonderful answer on why the poor vote Tory but I've only got ten minutes so I'm placemarking! Fear not I shall return my fellow friends.
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What the poor need is a growing economy with jobs to go to, rising incomes and low taxation to begin with. That's what the poor need the most to progress. Poor but self-motivated Tory voters must see them as the most likely party to deliver on that front, a perfectly legitimate way of looking at things. A poor turkey doesn't necessarily have to vote for Xmas just to see what Santa brings him.
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Those polls are so dumb. The tory voters are old people who didn't go to uni. Like everyone goes to uni now so you're always going to get that result.
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I'm gonna guess that the educated vote for Labour but the rich vote Tory. The two aren't identical although people on here seem to conflate them - stupidly enough. Someone with a PhD in biology is unlikely to be making more than, say, a stockbroker or a banker with just a BA or even, with no degree at all.

Rich =/= educated. Especially when it comes to Labour voters who're mainly academic.
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I will not argue on the "poor" thing which is partially wrong.

On the educational level, I completely agree there are more educated Labour voters but generalising that all Tory votes are not educated is false. A lot of conservative figures had done remarkable studies; e.g. Thatcher studied Chemistry at Oxford, May studied geography at Oxford, David Davis studied Molecular science with computing at Warwick and then business at London school of business and Harvard; and a lot (not all) of Tory voters are educated.
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Almost all polls show that the higher educated someone is the more likely they are to vote Labour, even when age is accounted for. Additionally the higher earning professionals tend to be more likely to vote labour compared to those on lower wages.

From my experience, this can't be more accurate. Almost every Tory I've met is generally a chav who hangs around street corners with a bottle of frosty jacks and a stolen pack of ****. The question is what attracts these people to the tories. The answer is the Tories rely on simplistic answers to complex questions which appeal to the less educated. The Tories know how much they rely on the uneducated demographic hence the massive cuts to schools in an attempt to create a new generation of Tory voters.

In my opinion, its because they're bitter that their lack of education means they can't get a job so blame immigrants and the EU. Anyone have any alternate theories?
You're so stuck up.
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Almost all polls show that the higher educated someone is the more likely they are to vote Labour, even when age is accounted for. Additionally the higher earning professionals tend to be more likely to vote labour compared to those on lower wages.

From my experience, this can't be more accurate. Almost every Tory I've met is generally a chav who hangs around street corners with a bottle of frosty jacks and a stolen pack of ****. The question is what attracts these people to the tories. The answer is the Tories rely on simplistic answers to complex questions which appeal to the less educated. The Tories know how much they rely on the uneducated demographic hence the massive cuts to schools in an attempt to create a new generation of Tory voters.

In my opinion, its because they're bitter that their lack of education means they can't get a job so blame immigrants and the EU. Anyone have any alternate theories?
It sounds like you're baiting, but I'll answer your question seriously nonetheless.

Labor simply doesn't represent the 'poor and uneducated' anymore like it used to. Unless they are migrants or some other ethnic minority.

Why vote for a party that doesn't represent your self-interests?
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(Original post by intelligent con)
Almost all polls show that the higher educated someone is the more likely they are to vote Labour, even when age is accounted for. Additionally the higher earning professionals tend to be more likely to vote labour compared to those on lower wages.

From my experience, this can't be more accurate. Almost every Tory I've met is generally a chav who hangs around street corners with a bottle of frosty jacks and a stolen pack of ****. The question is what attracts these people to the tories. The answer is the Tories rely on simplistic answers to complex questions which appeal to the less educated. The Tories know how much they rely on the uneducated demographic hence the massive cuts to schools in an attempt to create a new generation of Tory voters.

In my opinion, its because they're bitter that their lack of education means they can't get a job so blame immigrants and the EU. Anyone have any alternate theories?
Firstly the conservative party are not usually a party of the poor- the working class usually vote for Labour. As eluded to on here polling data can have a big variance to the actual result .

Let me tell you why i think partially the reason people with degrees vote for the Labour Party- universities are now echo chambers and the vast majority of lecturers are left wing or left of center with liberal beliefs. Why do i say this? University lecturers (80% of them anyway) classify themselves as left wing - who knows what manipulation gets pushed down our higher education system(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...-survey-finds/) Generally speaking when people get older they go more socially right wing-but even taking this into account a lot with degrees are far left or left of center- they do not have their opinions challenged until they leave university as it an echo chamber where free speech needs to fall in line with tolerance if it doesn't you can't express your opinion because of safe spaces. http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite...7#.WujLFcgvyUk.

Lets give you some reasons why some working class people vote tory

National living wage at its highest rate (£7.83)
Income tax thresholds increased to £11850 meaning people keep a greater proportion of pay- National insurance thresholds have also increased meaning people on lower paid jobs earn more.

Toughness on immigration

The vast majority of the country believe that immigration is at a rate where it is either too high or far to high- the tories talk a tough game but it never seems to materialise.
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(Original post by NonIndigenous)
It sounds like you're baiting, but I'll answer your question seriously nonetheless.

Labor simply doesn't represent the 'poor and uneducated' anymore like it used to. Unless they are migrants or some other ethnic minority.

Why vote for a party that doesn't represent your self-interests?
Can't remember where I saw it but the Tories are far from representing the uneducated. That said, I don't think it takes much to be an "educated" (read: propagandised) university grad these days, and older generations were less likely to go to university, so it's much of a muchness.

I don't really see why it matters much. Having a degree in something doesn't mean your political opinions will be more informed. Quite the opposite, depending on the subject. Maybe Labour finds suckers with an inflated ego to be an easier target, who knows.

Edit: found what I had in mind: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/04/25...iding-britain/

Looks like it's the LDs, and not Labour, who eat into the Tory vote share of the "educated", but again, it's not like they're not voting Tory in sizeable numbers.
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Let's look at the facts - This poll (amongst many others) consistently show Tories as being less educated.
There is a massive left-leaning bias in Universities that really should not be ignored and it would disingenuous to present data without mentioning that widely accepted fact.
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I'm gonna guess that the educated vote for Labour but the rich vote Tory. The two aren't identical although people on here seem to conflate them - stupidly enough. Someone with a PhD in biology is unlikely to be making more than, say, a stockbroker or a banker with just a BA or even, with no degree at all.

Rich =/= educated. Especially when it comes to Labour voters who're mainly academic.
Educated =/= informed or intelligent.

There is a hugeleft-leaning bias in universities with as many as 80% of Professors being Liberals.
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They’re the exception to the rule most Tory voters are rich and privately educated
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I can actually write a wonderful answer on why the poor vote Tory but I've only got ten minutes so I'm placemarking! Fear not I shall return my fellow friends.
*Narrator*

They did not return.
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They’re the exception to the rule most Tory voters are rich and privately educated
So most of the electorate is characterised by the above? How does that work? The stats I posted certainly don’t suggest as much.
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They’re the exception to the rule most Tory voters are rich and privately educated
So Conservative voters are either rich and privately educated or not rich and publically educated? I have a worrying feeling this isn't very good criteria to predict Tory support.
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So Conservative voters are either rich and privately educated or not rich and publically educated? I have a worrying feeling this isn't very good criteria to predict Tory support.
They’re MAINLY rich and/or publicly educated or they’re part of a small group of poor misguided people who believe voting Tory is strength rather than false consciousness.
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So Conservative voters are either rich and privately educated or not rich and publically educated? I have a worrying feeling this isn't very good criteria to predict Tory support.
The OP said the higher educated you are the more likely you are to vote Labour. I said rich and privately educated I didn’t say rich people who’d gone through the state system and gone on to do a PhD.

As far as the poor Tory voters suffering from false class consciousness... it’s just that what more do you need to know. The need to be targeted and in a warm and accepting way rather than you idiots. They need to be made to understand rather than driven further into their holes of bitterness and ignorant Tory voting.
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(Original post by Little Popcorns)
They’re MAINLY rich and/or publicly educated or they’re part of a small group of poor misguided people who believe voting Tory is strength rather than false consciousness.
You're hot when you use Marxist terminology.


(Original post by Little Popcorns)

As far as the poor Tory voters suffering from false class consciousness... it’s just that what more do you need to know. The need to be targeted and in a warm and accepting way rather than you idiots. They need to be made to understand rather than driven further into their holes of bitterness and ignorant Tory voting.
This.

Although it does not mean pandering to "legitimate concerns" about immigration. There is a section of the left who's imgination is so stunted that they can only concieve of winning lost working class support (which is of course only white to these poeple) by copying Conservative devide and rule tactics over race and creating more racism and xenophobia in society. Instead you have to provide funding for public services, money for deprived areas, help with unionising and precariet workforce who have sweatshop work conditions etc. It's socialism or barbarism.
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The OP said the higher educated you are the more likely you are to vote Labour. I said rich and privately educated I didn’t say rich people who’d gone through the state system and gone on to do a PhD.

As far as the poor Tory voters suffering from false class consciousness... it’s just that what more do you need to know. The need to be targeted and in a warm and accepting way rather than you idiots. They need to be made to understand rather than driven further into their holes of bitterness and ignorant Tory voting.
Huh? How have you even determined that they're "ignorant" or "bitter" for voting Tory? I mean I could just as easily tar Labour, or even the LDs, with that brush, given the class warfare rhetoric and identity politics both have become partial towards. Even the Tories partake of this activity, so I don't consider them much better, but you have this strange attitude about these people, that somehow they're stupid for not voting Labour. Because...? Not everyone is so thick as to not see the risk of creating a culture of dependence, that will in turn guarantee votes for a certain party. Maybe you should rethink your attitude towards these people.
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Huh? How have you even determined that they're "ignorant" or "bitter" for voting Tory? I mean I could just as easily tar Labour, or even the LDs, with that brush, given the class warfare rhetoric and identity politics both have become partial towards. Even the Tories partake of this activity, so I don't consider them much better, but you have this strange attitude about these people, that somehow they're stupid for not voting Labour. Because...? Not everyone is so thick as to not see the risk of creating a culture of dependence, that will in turn guarantee votes for a certain party. Maybe you should rethink your attitude towards these people.
Tories do not and will never care about the poor and working class they like them there. At least Labour is only restricted by the centrist electorate rather than not being arsed in it’s core.
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