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I'm a psychology graduate I want to teach in a secondary school, but my subject knowledge is going to let me down. I'm most likely not going to eligible for any subject knowledge enhancement courses. I'm interested in teaching:

Geography PE Biology

My work experience looks something like this

Primary school/key stage 1 teaching assistant - 11 months
Childrens residential support worker (learning disabilities) - 2 years (and counting)
High School teaching assistant - 4 months

I also coach rugby for the year 7s, could potentially teach Spanish at key stage 3 level given my A level in the subject. I'm also very musical and play several instruments.

However, my A Level and GCSE profile looks like this:

9 GCSEs A*-C, including Geography (B), Science (BC)
A level Spanish (B) A Level PE (B) A Level Psychology (B)
BTEC Level 3 Diploma Childcare

I've mentioned those 3 above, and PE is perhaps the one I'm most serious about. I love sport and believe the children will really feed of this. My degree also included sport psychology. So I guess these are my options;

1) Train to become a primary teacher with PE Specialism
2) Train to be a psychology teacher, and then teach other subjects
3) Study a masters degree in sports leadership or similar (possibly at UCLAN)
3) Study a biology or geography A Level/level 3 qualfiication with Open University, then appy for a SKE course
4). Hope that I can train via School Direct at my current school.

Which of these seems most realistic?

I find it so frustrating that my subject knowledge is going to be a barrier when i truly believe that I've got many great skills to be a sucessful high school teacher! It's not like I've sat in a class for a few days and thought 'yep this looks cool'. I've worked with children for a long time and have given this a lot of thought.

How can I prove I've got the subject knowledge?
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I'm a psychology graduate I want to teach in a secondary school, but my subject knowledge is going to let me down. I'm most likely not going to eligible for any subject knowledge enhancement courses. I'm interested in teaching:

Geography PE Biology

My work experience looks something like this

Primary school/key stage 1 teaching assistant - 11 months
Childrens residential support worker (learning disabilities) - 2 years (and counting)
High School teaching assistant - 4 months

I also coach rugby for the year 7s, could potentially teach Spanish at key stage 3 level given my A level in the subject. I'm also very musical and play several instruments.

However, my A Level and GCSE profile looks like this:

9 GCSEs A*-C, including Geography (B), Science (BC)
A level Spanish (B) A Level PE (B) A Level Psychology (B)
BTEC Level 3 Diploma Childcare

I've mentioned those 3 above, and PE is perhaps the one I'm most serious about. I love sport and believe the children will really feed of this. My degree also included sport psychology. So I guess these are my options;

1) Train to become a primary teacher with PE Specialism
2) Train to be a psychology teacher, and then teach other subjects
3) Study a masters degree in sports leadership or similar (possibly at UCLAN)
3) Study a biology or geography A Level/level 3 qualfiication with Open University, then appy for a SKE course
4). Hope that I can train via School Direct at my current school.

Which of these seems most realistic?

I find it so frustrating that my subject knowledge is going to be a barrier when i truly believe that I've got many great skills to be a sucessful high school teacher! It's not like I've sat in a class for a few days and thought 'yep this looks cool'. I've worked with children for a long time and have given this a lot of thought.

How can I prove I've got the subject knowledge?
You need to decide whether you want to teach Secondary or Primary and which subject.
Why do you think you wouldn't be able to do a subject knowledge course? It's for people with a degree in the 'wrong' subject.

Try looking here: https://getintoteaching.education.gov.uk/
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Look at the Bursaries on offer. They offer a bigger bursary for those subjects that need teachers, so as well as your training being well paid, it also means there is a demand for your skills at the end of it.

Alas Primary and PE get no/little bursary as lots of people want to teach these. There is also more people going for less vacancies...

So, whilst in an ideal world you would train and teach what you wanted and be supported in doing so, alas money talks...

https://getintoteaching.education.go...alary/overview

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You may be able to get a place on a geog course and then do a SKE to add knowledge. Your best ringing a few course providers

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I'm a psychology graduate I want to teach in a secondary school, but my subject knowledge is going to let me down. I'm most likely not going to eligible for any subject knowledge enhancement courses. I'm interested in teaching:

Geography PE Biology

My work experience looks something like this

Primary school/key stage 1 teaching assistant - 11 months
Childrens residential support worker (learning disabilities) - 2 years (and counting)
High School teaching assistant - 4 months

I also coach rugby for the year 7s, could potentially teach Spanish at key stage 3 level given my A level in the subject. I'm also very musical and play several instruments.

However, my A Level and GCSE profile looks like this:

9 GCSEs A*-C, including Geography (B), Science (BC)
A level Spanish (B) A Level PE (B) A Level Psychology (B)
BTEC Level 3 Diploma Childcare

I've mentioned those 3 above, and PE is perhaps the one I'm most serious about. I love sport and believe the children will really feed of this. My degree also included sport psychology. So I guess these are my options;

1) Train to become a primary teacher with PE Specialism
2) Train to be a psychology teacher, and then teach other subjects
3) Study a masters degree in sports leadership or similar (possibly at UCLAN)
3) Study a biology or geography A Level/level 3 qualfiication with Open University, then appy for a SKE course
4). Hope that I can train via School Direct at my current school.

Which of these seems most realistic?

I find it so frustrating that my subject knowledge is going to be a barrier when i truly believe that I've got many great skills to be a sucessful high school teacher! It's not like I've sat in a class for a few days and thought 'yep this looks cool'. I've worked with children for a long time and have given this a lot of thought.

How can I prove I've got the subject knowledge?
You don't need to 'prove' you've got the subject knowledge. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing a subject knowledge enhancement (SKE). This is for people who have little or no knowledge in a particular subject, and is usually given to you on behalf of your training provider. If you really wanted it, you can request it from them (after accepting an offer).

As other members have posted, you need to decide if you want to primary or secondary. You can train for secondary, and teach in primary if you so wanted - you'll have the key to teach both.

I think its important for you to know that becoming a PE teacher is quite competitive, since it is not a shortage subject (as it is not mentioned on the 'shortage/shortage subjects' list)

Your experience is impeccable and something the training providers would love in an ideal candidate, such as yourself.

You should consider teaching Biology or Geography, since you mentioned them, but also note you can teach more than one subject if you mutually agree this with the school after you are qualified. In this case, you could become a PE teacher, but then also teach Biology!

From your post, you sound very interested in PE, so you could do your option 1 (Train to become a primary teacher with PE Specialism).

Definitely give Biology and Geography a thought, since you can get a lot of support in training to teach such subjects. You can then teach PE as a bonus, and you will be able to easily do this due to your degree.

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You need to decide whether you want to teach Secondary or Primary and which subject.
Why do you think you wouldn't be able to do a subject knowledge course? It's for people with a degree in the 'wrong' subject.

Try looking here: https://getintoteaching.education.gov.uk/
After working in a primary school, I'm not sure it's right for me. I'm definitely leaning more towards a secondary school. I'd only want to do that primary with PE specialism to prove that I can teach PE in the hope that I could then land a job as a PE teacher a High school. Perhaps this isn't the best option
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Alas Primary and PE get no/little bursary as lots of people want to teach these. There is also more people going for less vacancies...

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Primary is still a relative shortage. Plus I'm a male, so there's perhaps bigger incentives to get men in primary schools. Not that I'd acquire any advantage.
I wasn't aware that PE is considered to be a non-priority subject. That's dissapointing
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Your experience is impeccable and something the training providers would love in an ideal candidate, such as yourself.

From your post, you sound very interested in PE, so you could do your option 1 (Train to become a primary teacher with PE Specialism).

Definitely give Biology and Geography a thought,

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Thank you, that's very kind of you to say It's not like I've just sat in a classroom for 5 days or done the bare minimum then thought ''yeah, this looks easy, I'll give it a go''. I understand children more, I have a great understanding of autism, EBD, and how the classroom can be adapted to their needs. I've observed so many teachers and behaviour management techniques.

I think PE would be a good option, but there doesn't seem to be an option for SKE, so the fact that I have only an A Level might not be enough.

I reckon Geography would be a good fit for me. Considering that human geography is a branch of it, and I have a degree in psychology, that gives me some knowledge to work with. I'm not sure I could Biology come to think of it. I just think I'd suck at it haha. But yeah. geography would be good. There's better financial incentives for biology, but like I say, I don't think I'd be good at it
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if you look again Geography Bursary is £25k compared to Biology maxing out at £15k. Geography is definately thr better option.

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You don't need to 'prove' you've got the subject knowledge. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing a subject knowledge enhancement (SKE). This is for people who have little or no knowledge in a particular subject, and is usually given to you on behalf of your training provider. If you really wanted it, you can request it from them (after accepting an offer).

As other members have posted, you need to decide if you want to primary or secondary. You can train for secondary, and teach in primary if you so wanted - you'll have the key to teach both.

I think its important for you to know that becoming a PE teacher is quite competitive, since it is not a shortage subject (as it is not mentioned on the 'shortage/shortage subjects' list)

Your experience is impeccable and something the training providers would love in an ideal candidate, such as yourself.

You should consider teaching Biology or Geography, since you mentioned them, but also note you can teach more than one subject if you mutually agree this with the school after you are qualified. In this case, you could become a PE teacher, but then also teach Biology!

From your post, you sound very interested in PE, so you could do your option 1 (Train to become a primary teacher with PE Specialism).

Definitely give Biology and Geography a thought, since you can get a lot of support in training to teach such subjects. You can then teach PE as a bonus, and you will be able to easily do this due to your degree.

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After working in a primary school, I'm not sure it's right for me. I'm definitely leaning more towards a secondary school. I'd only want to do that primary with PE specialism to prove that I can teach PE in the hope that I could then land a job as a PE teacher a High school. Perhaps this isn't the best option
If you want to teach in Secondary then do a Secondary PGCE ... you will find it easier to get a job with that training.
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if you look again Geography Bursary is £25k compared to Biology maxing out at £15k. Geography is definately thr better option.

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I wasn't aware. I remember about 3 years ago when I was volunteering in my old high school, I was looking into secondary teaching then. Biology was perhaps a higher priority subject than Geography as it had a higher bursary. Things have changed.
Perhaps my psychology degree will be of use after all! Like I say, there must be some link between human geography and psychology. That's something I can research and try to persuade. Maybe I can read a few A Level or GCSE Geography text books and see how much I can grasp.
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