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HMRC Tax Specialist Programme (TSP) 2018

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Reply 400

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by kradia25
By asking for tips doesn't mean asking for answers or what comes up in the test. Some of us are looking at how to do our best by seeking for simple advice like reading the competencies beforehand, practicing certain tests or how you should be thinking. I understand giving too much information away gives an unfair disadvantage. Sometimes reading other people's posts eases you and gives you confidence. I can't speak for anyone else but my intention wasn't to get more information than what should be passed on to other candidates. And I'm sure other candidates are also aware of what they should or should not say about the tests.


Asking is fine, but I don't get why anyone would actually help. You're only disadvantaging yourself if you help someone else. What if they wouldve failed the tests without help, but end up ranking higher than you at the AC and take your offer of a job?

Reply 401

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by enem2211
Thank you 😊



Snap! I might finally be able to do the numerical tonight lol


My advice would be get it done you'll feel much better with it out the way. Same as verbal reasoning it wasn't as hard as some practice tests online that I'd done but had a familiar feel to it of some of the sample tests out there so it really isn't that daunting. Read the questions thoroughly and check your calculations.

Reply 402

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by Mallet
Asking is fine, but I don't get why anyone would actually help. You're only disadvantaging yourself if you help someone else. What if they wouldve failed the tests without help, but end up ranking higher than you at the AC and take your offer of a job?


My impression is that A.C. will be much harder than anything we've done here, so if they outperform you at A.C. THEN THEY didn't really need your help here.

Some of us have never done any of these tests before, anywhere! People asking questions are just looking for reassurance more than anything.
For me, maths was fine but the verbal and situational areas required a large amount of research first.

Reply 403

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by Mallet
Asking is fine, but I don't get why anyone would actually help. You're only disadvantaging yourself if you help someone else. What if they wouldve failed the tests without help, but end up ranking higher than you at the AC and take your offer of a job?


Well clearly there are nice people on this thread who are giving people great advice and reassurance. You would only disadvantage yourself if you give too much information away which is not the case. I don't understand why it bothers anybody as they're choosing to reply and not even doing anything wrong. And incase you forgot, there is another stage before the AC which isn't going to be easy either.

Reply 404

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by Bertiesgirl75
My impression is that A.C. will be much harder than anything we've done here, so if they outperform you at A.C. THEN THEY didn't really need your help here.

Some of us have never done any of these tests before, anywhere! People asking questions are just looking for reassurance more than anything.
For me, maths was fine but the verbal and situational areas required a large amount of research first.


I disagree. The tests are the hardest part of the process. They're testing very specific abilities. Do poorly in one and you're out. At the AC you get multiple opportunities to demonstrate a range of abilities. Ive seen people at the AC who Im very surprised made it there.

Reply 405

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by kradia25
Well clearly there are nice people on this thread who are giving people great advice and reassurance. You would only disadvantage yourself if you give too much information away which is not the case. I don't understand why it bothers anybody as they're choosing to reply and not even doing anything wrong. And incase you forgot, there is another stage before the AC which isn't going to be easy either.


It doesn't bother me. And I'm not saying anyone's doing anything wrong (except for whoever it was who basically posted a couple of questions a few days ago). But when it comes down to such small margins it doesn't make sense to give your competitors any advantage. Nice doesn't always win.

Reply 406

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by Mallet
Asking is fine, but I don't get why anyone would actually help. You're only disadvantaging yourself if you help someone else. What if they wouldve failed the tests without help, but end up ranking higher than you at the AC and take your offer of a job?


Presumably if you’ve scored over 90% on all tests then you don’t mind who you help at this stage. I’m all for this forum giving people moral support and confidence, it’s nice to talk to people going through the same process, but personally I would prefer it if people weren’t giving out tips. Any specific tip you get from someone who has done the stage before you is an unfair advantage. And yes people are nice so if you ask for tips they will give them. So the responsibility lies with both parties.

Reply 407

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by Mallet
It doesn't bother me. And I'm not saying anyone's doing anything wrong (except for whoever it was who basically posted a couple of questions a few days ago). But when it comes down to such small margins it doesn't make sense to give your competitors any advantage. Nice doesn't always win.


I understand your point and there are people who have the same thinking as you on this thread. I guess others are confident in their ability to go far on this process and want to see others do the same. Ultimately we can all agree that we focus on ourself first and then others.

Reply 408

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by Mallet
I disagree. The tests are the hardest part of the process. They're testing very specific abilities. Do poorly in one and you're out. At the AC you get multiple opportunities to demonstrate a range of abilities. Ive seen people at the AC who Im very surprised made it there.

Honestly, who are you to judge who's worthy. Im sure those others have other attributes such as charisma and warmth. Something that cant be obtained by buying practice test.

I notice you say I've seen people at a.c , which means you've been unsuccessful maybe you should spend more time concentrating on your weaknesses than judging who is can be deemed worthy to be amongst yourself.

Reply 409

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by J.l1991
Honestly, who are out to judge who's worthy. Im sure those others have other attributes such as charisma and warmth. Something that cant be obtained by buying practice test.

I notice you say I've seen people at a.c , which means you've been unsuccessful maybe you should spend more time concentrating on your weaknesses than judging who is can be deemed worthy to be amongst yourself.


Or maybe I've been successful so know what I'm talking about?
Charisma and warmth are great attributes to have but they aren't the competencies being tested.

Reply 410

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by mellowyellow86
Presumably if you’ve scored over 90% on all tests then you don’t mind who you help at this stage. I’m all for this forum giving people moral support and confidence, it’s nice to talk to people going through the same process, but personally I would prefer it if people weren’t giving out tips. Any specific tip you get from someone who has done the stage before you is an unfair advantage. And yes people are nice so if you ask for tips they will give them. So the responsibility lies with both parties.


I agree that people shouldn't give out specific tips but I haven't seen any one do that. I've read general advice which is stated in the invitation we received or it's somewhat a reminder. For example, reading compenticies, staying calm, reading instructions properly and not rushing. Yes many people have been asking but the questions are not outrageous, for example what topics to go over in maths or what kind of scenarios come up in SJT. And people referring to other tests that they practice online are not benefitting greatly either. What works for one person may not work for another. Ultimately how well someone will perform is down to how much they prepare and know. The advice is great as it helps someone to think positively about the test but it's not necessarily giving any of us an advantage. Neither is it going to make a significant difference in our performance because we don't know what will come up.

Reply 411

I gave a couple of tips, I don't think they give any unfair advantage. The tips given by most people are actually in the guidance (to judge each action without considering the others & use the competencies), so it's just reiterating their importance, really. But then, I also love being nice. I think being nice always wins in the end.

Reply 412

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by Mallet
Ive seen people at the AC who Im very surprised made it there.


Which implies the AC is designed to weed out weaker candidates that the online tests didn't!
However, it seems you've been there before, so I'll take your word for it. Me? I'm very new to all this. My last interview was in the 1990s!

Reply 413

I recall somebody actually stated that the majority of their answers in the verbal reasoning were “cannot say”, and that they had done well. That was ridiculous. I really think people need to reign it in and think before posting. As people are saying, there are tips in the guidance provided so candidates should stick to reading the information provided carefully and go from there. I don’t think we should spoon feed people who can’t be bothered to read the candidate guidance themselves. I don’t want to work with people in Hmrc at grade 7 level who were unable to read through information provided.

Reply 414

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by mellowyellow86
I recall somebody actually stated that the majority of their answers in the verbal reasoning were “cannot say”, and that they had done well. That was ridiculous. I really think people need to reign it in and think before posting. As people are saying, there are tips in the guidance provided so candidates should stick to reading the information provided carefully and go from there. I don’t think we should spoon feed people who can’t be bothered to read the candidate guidance themselves.


That answer came after verbal reasoning test had closed so im not sure what the issue is. This is a chat room, it would be pretty quiet without it.

Reply 415

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by J.l1991
That answer came after verbal reasoning test had closed so im not sure what the issue is. This is a chat room, it would be pretty quiet without it.


That came out whilst verbal reasoning tests were still going on.

Reply 416

I see both sides of this debate, I haven't given any tips even though in any other situation I definitely would because it is in my nature to be helpful. This is simply because it's a competition for a limited amount of posts and if people arent able to read the guidance themselves the same way that I and others have then their marks should reflect that.

The whole process, in my opinion, is about identifying people with the skills to succeed in a challenging post and that includes the ability to work independently. In saying that, once the tests close Im more than happy to reflect on what went right and what went wrong if its helpful for someone.

For those that are doing these tests for the first time, there are no surprises, there is adequate guidance and practice tests are provided by hmrc for every stage.
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Reply 417

Original post
by mellowyellow86
I recall somebody actually stated that the majority of their answers in the verbal reasoning were “cannot say”, and that they had done well. That was ridiculous. I really think people need to reign it in and think before posting. As people are saying, there are tips in the guidance provided so candidates should stick to reading the information provided carefully and go from there.


Yeah that is too much information and should have been brought up when the person posted. Didn't see a big issue being made there but when people are asking for general advice then you decide to post. People have a brain of their own so should know what they can disclose or ask others of. It also boils down to what you want to believe. Just because someone had too many 'cannot say' answers doesn't mean a person is going to tailor their test answers to match someone else's test experience and not think for them self. None of the recent posts suggest any specific questions or replies given out by others. You specifically posted after I commented hence it seems like you were targeting it at me and many others. I'm done arguing about this topic now because there's just no point. I know I haven't done anything wrong and you can think what you want 👍🏽

Reply 418

Well looking back there are more than enough tips in this thread now so hopefully people will just get on with it.

Reply 419

Bit the bullet and took the (SJT) test this morning.

69%....not low enough to get booted immediately but probably not high enough to progress. Disappointed after getting 87 & 97 in the two previous tests

Ah well - I did the very best I could.