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Sooo I am working through my sheet of combining equations and I need help with the final step of combining equations:
The question is:

1) MnO4()- + 4Mn2+ + 8H+ 5Mn(3+) + 4H2O
2) 2Mn(3+) + C2O4(2-) 2Mn(2+) + 2CO(2)

So the first thing i did was to identify the products in the first reaction which are reactants in the second reaction in this case 5Mn(3+) & 2Mn(3+)

To make the euqation balanced I multiplied up the 2) equation so that 2Mn(3+) became 10Mn(3+) Multiplying by 5

I then multiplied the first equation by 2 so that 5Mn(2+) became 10Mn(2+)

I then wrote out both equations with all reactants from both equations together and all the products from both equations together after all the crossing anything that appears on both sides I was left with what i thought to be the right answer of:


10MnO4(-) + 18Mn(2+) + 16H+ ---> 8H20 + 5C(2)O4(2-) + 10CO(2)

But the right answer is:

2MnO4- + 5C2O42- + 16H+ 2Mn2+ + 8H2O + 10CO2

Can anyone please explain to me what im doing wrong or what im missing.
Any help is very much appreciated,
Thank You
Original post by anonymous19990
Sooo I am working through my sheet of combining equations and I need help with the final step of combining equations:
The question is:

1) MnO4()- + 4Mn2+ + 8H+ 5Mn(3+) + 4H2O
2) 2Mn(3+) + C2O4(2-) 2Mn(2+) + 2CO(2)

So the first thing i did was to identify the products in the first reaction which are reactants in the second reaction in this case 5Mn(3+) & 2Mn(3+)

To make the euqation balanced I multiplied up the 2) equation so that 2Mn(3+) became 10Mn(3+) Multiplying by 5

I then multiplied the first equation by 2 so that 5Mn(2+) became 10Mn(2+)

I then wrote out both equations with all reactants from both equations together and all the products from both equations together after all the crossing anything that appears on both sides I was left with what i thought to be the right answer of:


10MnO4(-) + 18Mn(2+) + 16H+ ---> 8H20 + 5C(2)O4(2-) + 10CO(2)

But the right answer is:

2MnO4- + 5C2O42- + 16H+ 2Mn2+ + 8H2O + 10CO2

Can anyone please explain to me what im doing wrong or what im missing.
Any help is very much appreciated,
Thank You


You're along the right lines, thinking about it in two stages and considering what are reactants and what are products.

The method you use of multiplying each equation is also a good method to go by.

Perhaps you can see your answer cannot be right, from the fact that Carbon doesn't appear on the left, but is present on the right.

So, from your method you know that:

2MnO4- + 8Mn2+ + 16H+ 10Mn3+ + 8H2O

and also that:

10Mn3+ + 5C2O42- 10Mn2+ + 10CO2

so all the reactants together are

2MnO4- + 8Mn2+ + 16H+ + 10Mn3+ + 5C2O42-

And all the products together are

10Mn3+ + 8H2O + 10Mn2+ + 10CO2

The Mn3+ all cancel and so do 8 of the Mn2+

So overall

2MnO4- + 16H+ + 5C2O42- 8H2O + 2Mn2+ + 10CO2

I think your mistake probably happened when grouping together all the reactants and all the products, so Oxalate and Mn2+ from equation 2) have ended up on the wrong side of the final equation. This might be because of mixing up Mn2+ and Mn3+

Hope that helps :smile:
(edited 6 years ago)
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Original post by anonymous19990


1) MnO4()- + 4Mn2+ + 8H+ 5Mn(3+) + 4H2O
2) 2Mn(3+) + C2O4(2-) 2Mn(2+) + 2CO(2)

So the first thing i did was to identify the products in the first reaction which are reactants in the second reaction in this case 5Mn(3+) & 2Mn(3+)

To make the euqation balanced I multiplied up the 2) equation so that 2Mn(3+) became 10Mn(3+) Multiplying by 5

I then multiplied the first equation by 2 so that 5Mn(2+) became 10Mn(2+)


10MnO4(-) + 18Mn(2+) + 16H+ ---> 8H20 + 5C(2)O4(2-) + 10CO(2)


I think the mistake you made here was that you got confused between your products and reactants and which is common in both reactions/equations. When you multiplied the (1) equation you have 4Mn(2+) When you should be focusing on the Mn3+ to begin with so you should have multiplied it by 2 to get 10Mn3+ on the product side, this would match your 10Mn3+ on your (2) equation, on the reactant side. Both would cancel out and you would get the correct answer
(edited 6 years ago)
Original post by MexicanKeith
You're along the right lines, thinking about it in two stages and considering what are reactants and what are products.

The method you use of multiplying each equation is also a good method to go by.

Perhaps you can see your answer cannot be right, from the fact that Carbon doesn't appear on the left, but is present on the right.

So, from your method you know that:

2MnO4- + 8Mn2+ + 16H+ 10Mn3+ + 8H2O

and also that:

10Mn3+ + 5C2O42- 10Mn2+ + 10CO2

so all the reactants together are

2MnO4- + 8Mn2+ + 16H+ + 10Mn3+ + 5C2O42-

And all the products together are

10Mn3+ + 8H2O + 10Mn2+ + 10CO2

The Mn3+ all cancel and so do 8 of the Mn2+

So overall

2MnO4- + 16H+ + 5C2O42- 8H2O + 2Mn2+ + 10CO2

I think your mistake probably happened when grouping together all the reactants and all the products, so Oxalate and Mn2+ from equation 2) have ended up on the wrong side of the final equation. This might be because of mixing up Mn2+ and Mn3+

Hope that helps :smile:


Thank You, i can now see clearly where I went wrong and why. :smile:

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