Who were the winners and losers in the disastrous 2011 Arab spring that initially earned support from the USA, Israel and Britain?
1) ISIS and groups like Al Nusra, Ansar Al Jihad etc enjoyed massive expansion during the instability resulting from removal of strong leaders during Arab spring. This growth would enable them to launch terror attacks in Britain, Europe and Australia.
2) US arms suppliers who took advantage of the chaos and initially supplied weapons to rebel terror groups fighting Assad and Gaddafi.
3) Turkey used the chaos in Syria to attack and destroy Kurdish areas in Syria with help from ISIS.
4) Sunni extremists took land from Shia and Alawites.
5) Racists and islamophobes who saw the troubles as an excuse for their platform of hate.
1) Innocent people around the world killed and injured in Daesh terror attacks such as the children murdered in the Manchester concert terror attack.
2) Tunisian tourist industry. Destroyed by the Sousse beach massacre that saw people loose their jobs in hotels etc resulting in mass unemployment and deprivation that in turn would lead to some people joining Daesh.
3) Innocent people in Syria, Libya etc who had their lives turned upside down by the wars, many of who were content with the peace and status quo.
4) The EU who would lose Britain as Brits feared being over-run by migrants fleeing the conflicts in Syria, Iraq and Libya and Brits saw the only solution being total detachment from the EU and ending freedom of movement and free trade.
5) Shia, Alawite, Kurds and Yazidis who would suffer ethnic cleansing and genocide inflicted by Daesh and other jihadi rebel groups.
6) Strong leaderships across North Africa and Middle East destroyed by the Arab spring resulting in instability war and uncertainty.
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Last edited by Ambitious1999; 17-09-2017 at 21:22.
- 17-09-2017 21:18
- 19-09-2017 14:34
Still, we had to go trough two wars in Europe in the 20th century to realise it may be better to live in peace and the Middle-East is not beneath it. The region needs to go through the process of overcoming the religious grip, embark upon economic and educational development and implement democracy and personal freedom. The sooner the better and ironic it may be but everything the West may do, intentionally or otherwise, to speed up that process is a good thing for the region. Most things in this world are actually the opposite of what they seem to be, must be that human thing with having inverted vision.
- 19-09-2017 14:42
Don't they say the price of bread is the source of all revolutions? This all kicked off due to economic pressures on the population (all social change is driven by economic change, that's the theory) and if only that poor soul who immolated himself in Tunisia knew what he was about to cause... RIP, wherever the **** he may be now.
Tarek el-Tayeb Mohamed Bouazizi (29 March 1984 – 4 January 2011) was a Tunisian street vendor who set himself on fire on 17 December 2010, in response to the confiscation of his wares and the harassment and humiliation that he said was inflicted on him by a municipal official and her aides. This act became a catalyst for the Tunisian Revolution and the wider Arab Spring, inciting demonstrations and riots throughout Tunisia in protest of social and political issues in the country. Simmering public anger and sporadic violence intensified following Bouazizi's death, leading then-president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali to step down on 14 January 2011, after 23 years in power.Last edited by zhog; 19-09-2017 at 14:49.
- 19-09-2017 14:47
It was all a load of nonsense.
We would rather sit back and see a million people die in Civil War, than a single person due to "western" intervention.
These countries are rubbish. They can't do anything let alone peaceful transition or revolution - they were all inevitably going to turn into long-term bloody conflicts. We are not going to get involved, therefore these things will not be resolved - possibly for decades if not centuries.
(Original post by GlobalAwakening)
- 19-09-2017 14:52
With all due respect, that is neocon claptrap. The middle east was always the most advanced culture going back millenia. Iraq, Syria, Libya all were free of vice and corporatisation unlike America which is chronologically sick, obese, educationally bereft and morally bankrupt.
Also, if this what this 'most advanced' culture delivers... I'll stick to mine.Last edited by zhog; 19-09-2017 at 15:00.
- 19-09-2017 14:53
OP was making it sound like a question.