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Is this Fair ? (GCSE Russian)

My school, announced in the local rag last week that they were dead chuffed that they'd achieved their first ever A* by their first ever candidate to take Russian .... he was Russian.

We're not talking about Russian, as a subject taken, in the same, in depth way we take English (& Lit), we're talking about the same fundamentals we learn in Modern FOREIGN Languages (French, German, Spanish, Italian etc) - so it was obvious that he was going to get an A* from the offset, we even have stories of him correcting his member of the teaching staff, who acted as a personal tutor.

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Reply 1

russian is hard though...

Reply 2

Unregistered
russian is hard though...


Even when it's his first language !?!

Reply 3

I know what you mean. A girl in my Sixth Form was from Belgium (or somewhere) and naturally grew up speaking French, German and English. Can you guess what her A-level grades were?

A-level French: A
A-level German: A
A-level Maths: C

With them grades, she went on to do a Maths degree. :confused:

Reply 4

I did GCSE Polish and got a B. It's not as easy because practically 100% of people taking it are natural polish speakers, and so the grade boundaries are all crammed together at the top of the range.

Reply 5

Expression
My school, announced in the local rag last week that they were dead chuffed that they'd achieved their first ever A* by their first ever candidate to take Russian .... he was Russian.

We're not talking about Russian, as a subject taken, in the same, in depth way we take English (& Lit), we're talking about the same fundamentals we learn in Modern FOREIGN Languages (French, German, Spanish, Italian etc) - so it was obvious that he was going to get an A* from the offset, we even have stories of him correcting his member of the teaching staff, who acted as a personal tutor.


doesnt really benefit anyone but the school. in terms of qualifications, he should be more worried about his level of english, since Russian would be set down as his mother tongue. its amusing, but its practically irrelevant as far as he or his peers are concerned.

Reply 6

Pencil
I know what you mean. A girl in my Sixth Form was from Belgium (or somewhere) and naturally grew up speaking French, German and English. Can you guess what her A-level grades were?

A-level French: A
A-level German: A
A-level Maths: C

With them grades, she went on to do a Maths degree. :confused:


now that is unfair..i am suprised that any decent maths department would accept her with that.

Reply 7

vienna95
now that is unfair..i am suprised that any decent maths department would accept her with that.


yes i agree, to do maths at degree level nothing less than an A would be sufficient. Its just the way maths works.

Adam

Reply 8

Expression
My school, announced in the local rag last week that they were dead chuffed that they'd achieved their first ever A* by their first ever candidate to take Russian .... he was Russian.

We're not talking about Russian, as a subject taken, in the same, in depth way we take English (& Lit), we're talking about the same fundamentals we learn in Modern FOREIGN Languages (French, German, Spanish, Italian etc) - so it was obvious that he was going to get an A* from the offset, we even have stories of him correcting his member of the teaching staff, who acted as a personal tutor.


Thats well bad although i went to High school with some Russian Lads who passed their Russian and Maths. Although is Russians can get A* in their first Language why do so many people have problems with English when is there first Language

Reply 9

thinking about this post though, the guy who took the GCSE is only cheating himself. It just shows he can speak russian, which he could already do anyway.

If you are fluent in russian, do you need a GCSE to prove it?

Reply 10

byb3
thinking about this post though, the guy who took the GCSE is only cheating himself. It just shows he can speak russian, which he could already do anyway.

If you are fluent in russian, do you need a GCSE to prove it?



yes, my point.

Reply 11

vienna95
yes, my point.

Yeah but i cant speak Welsh and German and have a GCSE in both. It looks good. Having said that you can all talk flaunt english and i take it everyone has a GCSE in that

Reply 12

LadyFadge
Thats well bad although i went to High school with some Russian Lads who passed their Russian and Maths. Although is Russians can get A* in their first Language why do so many people have problems with English when is there first Language


it is not 'well' bad as you put it, but a mere oversight in the system that serves only to distort the statistical outcome for each student and thus the school. the English course treats the language in respects differing from the assumed 'practical' approach that is taken with other languages taught at GCSE level. i doubt, however, that most ppl would fair any better if English was taught this way. id like to see elocution lessons introduced.

Reply 13

LadyFadge
Yeah but i cant speak Welsh and German and have a GCSE in both. It looks good. Having said that you can all talk flaunt english and i take it everyone has a GCSE in that


Yep, a D. :frown:

Reply 14

However GCSE English is slightly different to a GCSE in a Foreign language - at GCSE you don't have to annotate French poetry, or read and answer questions on a German novel do you? Its at a different level, so a Russian person taking a Russian GSCE isn't the same as us taking our English one really, if you get my point. I had to learn Russian at my school as my second language for 2 years but I dropped it cos it was really hard. However some people did take it to GCSE and there were 2 A grades (but equally as many E grades!).

Reply 15

Chicken
However GCSE English is slightly different to a GCSE in a Foreign language - at GCSE you don't have to annotate French poetry, or read and answer questions on a German novel do you? Its at a different level, so a Russian person taking a Russian GSCE isn't the same as us taking our English one really, if you get my point. I had to learn Russian at my school as my second language for 2 years but I dropped it cos it was really hard. However some people did take it to GCSE and there were 2 A grades (but equally as many E grades!).


I was born in Ukrain and speek russian, and let me tell you that it is not as easy as it sounds. I moved to liverpool when I was 8 years old, and I had learn english language from scratch. When I got to year 11, I tried to apply for a time extention on the english exams, but it was against the rugulation. This was realy hard on me because I think and write about a third slower then all the other people. Saying that, people have posted that they find normal french classes hard: well immagine that english is my second language, but thexam was about ten times harder then a "normal" french exam. So my point is that although it was easier for me to do russian GCSE then other people, I whent through hell doing English and all the other subjects. Altough I still maniged to get 2 B's in english.
Oh and by the way, I did not get any E's
Math = A / Science = A* A* / English = B B / Russian = A* / Geography = A / Business studies B (and english oral = A*)

Reply 16

By the way, can anyone tell me what company does A-level Russian, as I just found out that AQA does not. All I need is the sylabis of AS and A2 so that I can revise, and then order the examination papers. Thank you.

Reply 17

Its not fair however a german guy in my year took german GCSE and got a D in his oral even though it was his first language..

Reply 18

I have to agree with someone above; although it is easier for native speakers it depends when you left that country.

I took russian GCSE last year (got one of the top 5 marks in the country... ). I am russian but left when I was 4 years old, and although I continue to speak it at home, as far as writing goes I was hopeless. I managed to teach myself that in a year and then ended up getting a really good grade (which is funny because I wasn't even going to take it because I thought I'd get a bad grade and it would bring my other grades down!).

It was quite a bit of effort (though I'm sure not as much as it would be if you aren't a native speaker) but I basically made myself write one essay a week and you pick it up quite quick. Although I'd have to give credit to anyone who learnt it from scratch and came out with a good mark, because the alphabet is so different, and the grammer and spelling is hard (much worse than german for example!).

Reply 19

alex b
I was born in Ukrain and speek russian, and let me tell you that it is not as easy as it sounds. I moved to liverpool when I was 8 years old, and I had learn english language from scratch. When I got to year 11, I tried to apply for a time extention on the english exams, but it was against the rugulation. This was realy hard on me because I think and write about a third slower then all the other people. Saying that, people have posted that they find normal french classes hard: well immagine that english is my second language, but thexam was about ten times harder then a "normal" french exam. So my point is that although it was easier for me to do russian GCSE then other people, I whent through hell doing English and all the other subjects. Altough I still maniged to get 2 B's in english.
Oh and by the way, I did not get any E's
Math = A / Science = A* A* / English = B B / Russian = A* / Geography = A / Business studies B (and english oral = A*)


To be fair, I think it is somewhat easier to learn a language when you live in a country for 8 years and have to go to school there and learn in that language, speak that language with all your friends and whenever you go on a bus or to the shops or whatever.

It's not really the same as having a couple of years of once-a-week lessons where you mainly just play "german bingo", watch crappy videos, etc..

I think this would compensate for the exam being "ten times harder", pretty much.