***Petition to Close all Grammars *sign here

I will show my ignorance here; dare I ask, why?

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westhamfan

Why would it be good to close grammars? :s-smilie:

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Kennah

I will show my ignorance here; dare I ask, why?

You can either go to the link which gives the reasons why, or alternatively read the opposing thread that calls for more grammars.

Within that thread there is a constructive and concise argument as to why all schools should admit children of all abilities. :smile:

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westhamfan

Why would it be good to close grammars? :s-smilie:

To answer that you need to think a bit. :smile:

Reply 5

veggie4life

I went to a grammer and I loved it though it was a catholic grammer so maybe theres a different style ? I love the community spirit in Catholic schools i'm even at a Catholic college now !

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Robob

veggie4life

I went to a grammer and I loved it though it was a catholic grammer so maybe theres a different style ? I love the community spirit in Catholic schools i'm even at a Catholic college now !

Yes, I will get you some crayons

Reply 7

Ashes_to_Ashes

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They seem good but at the same time it seems people are not aware how to apply and are not approached, not where I live anywhere. I've never been asked about applying.

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veggie4life

I went to a grammer and I loved it though it was a catholic grammer so maybe theres a different style ? I love the community spirit in Catholic schools i'm even at a Catholic college now !

Catholic Grammar schools are a rarity, unless they are fee-paying. The reason they are a rarity is because we believe that every child deserves the best education available, not the few.

If every school had the sort of ethos that Catholic schools have every single child would not only receive a good education, but also emerge from them a well-rounded and confident young person.

But then, I am biased somewhat. :wink:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/news/features/grammars_jackson.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast/3720139.stm

That's enough reading for me on this, there are more important issues that can be brought to Parliament's attention imo.

Reply 10

ssk2

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Eughh.... Yawn, give it a rest. I went to a grammar, am not loaded with cash, enjoyed my education and have a healthy relationship with my peers who did not go to said grammar school.

Question; why do you have this chip on your shoulder? Why are you so ardently anti-grammar? Don't give us general reasons, I want YOUR thoughts.

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Bismarck

The corollary to the socialist doctrine that we should make everyone economically equal, even if that means making everyone equally poor, is to make everyone intellectually equal, even if that means making everyone equally stupid.

Hahaha, you are renowned for your intellectual snobbery, Bis.

That is what academically selective education does for some...makes them think they're somehow superior to everyone else.

Reply 12

yawn

Within that thread there is a constructive and concise argument as to why all schools should admit children of all abilities. :smile:

And drag them down like Comprehensive schools? No thanks, If I'd had a choice, I'd've rather been in a school that had people with the same academic ability and at that age allowed me to work hard to my potential than waste my time and drag my grade down by others who couldn't graps concepts or who couldn't be arsed. When it gets to more independent learning then the onus is more on yourself but at that learning age I have no problem with it.

I'm not reading into the arguments because I have loads of legal ones I should be reading right now.

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Kennah

http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/news/features/grammars_jackson.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast/3720139.stm

That's enough reading for me on this, there are more important issues that can be brought to Parliament's attention imo.

I shouldn't take too much notice of the propoganda that emanates from the pro-selection lobby of Kent.

Their results, considering their intake are leading to accusations of 'coasting'.

For definitive evidence read the research undertaken by Prof. David Jesson.

btw - Chris Woodhead is not regarded in high esteem in education circles.

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Again...don't really have time. My opinion will suffice since I'm not really needing to put it to the test in the near future, compared to legal topics relevent to my studies.

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Kennah

And drag them down like Comprehensive schools? No thanks, If I'd had a choice, I'd've rather been in a school that had people with the same academic ability and at that age allowed me to work hard to my potential than waste my time and drag my grade down by others who couldn't graps concepts or who couldn't be arsed. When it gets to more independent learning then the onus is more on yourself but at that learning age I have no problem with it.

That is a myth that is propogated without any sustantive evidence whatsoever.

I'm not reading into the arguments because I have loads of legal ones I should be reading right now.

Best you get on with your work then. :smile:

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Robob

Personally, I think grammar schools are a good idea.

However I think the selection procedure (and age) is generally poor, and sometimes thick kids with pushy parents get in, whilst some clever kids don't. IMO the fault is with the selection procedure, not the grammar school system.

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bex_26797

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N. Ireland for example has many grammar schools and the exam results attained by pupils exceed that of the mainland thus surely that is an indication that grammar schools work as opposed to going to a comprehensive!

Reply 18

ssk2

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I'm waiting Yawn.. Please, what're your personal reasons for your abhorrence of grammar schools?

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