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Original post by jonathanemptage
I got you say it's not your thing but have you tried it i mean it's only one night whats the worst that could happen.the long and the short of it is it's only a few hours of your life and you don't have to get drunk hell i just drunk J2O on nights out at uni.


you cheeky lil bad influence you
wow. Only on TSR have I ever met people not excited for freshers?! **** me.
Original post by jonathanemptage
I got you say it's not your thing but have you tried it i mean it's only one night whats the worst that could happen.the long and the short of it is it's only a few hours of your life and you don't have to get drunk hell i just drunk J2O on nights out at uni.


No I haven't tried it and I don't want to. I've tried similar things and I felt very unsafe. My accommodation is far away from pretty much everything, so having a 30-45 minute journey home with drunk people in a city I've been in for a week at 3am when it's dark and cold is not my idea of a good time.

What's the worst that could happen? I could get lost in a big city in the middle of the night, be found by some creeper and potentially be assaulted or killed.

Everyone tells me to try it. No. Why don't people try having a nice night in then having a productive day the next day? Because they'll say that's boring and not fun. Well I find going out late to be "not fun". It works both ways. I prefer to feel safe and know that I'm going to get home safe.
Original post by Bang Outta Order
wow. Only on TSR have I ever met people not excited for freshers?! **** me.


I'm just excited for different parts of it. Being away from home, exploring in daylight where I have fewer chances of getting lost and a better chance of getting home safe.

What I'm not excited for is getting drunk at home, going out at midnight to get more drunk, throwing up then trying to come home at 4am when I'm even drunker and sicker and lost in the dark and cold in a rainy city, being very vulnerable and not in control of my own actions. To some people, that seems like a fantastic time and good for them, you should do what makes you happy. But that doesn't make me happy so I'm not going to do it.
Original post by DrawTheLine
I'm a fresher at uni, which comes with the stereotype of going out getting wasted every night. But this isn't me. I am in my jammies at 8pm watching Netflix with a cup of tea. I hate late nights. At home I'm asleep by 10pm and I'm up and awake by 7am every morning.

I want this to carry on at uni, but others in my accommodation are of course going out getting drunk and coming home at 3am. That's completely fine they want to go out and have a good time. That's their idea of a good time, but that is my idea of a terrible time.

I'm on the ground floor and the smoking area is right outside my window. They go out and smoke and the windows are so crap I can hear every word of the conversation. I sent them a message at midnight the other day asking them to move somewhere else or talk a bit quieter because the windows don't keep noise out. I could hear them read out my message to each other after I sent it. They ignored it.

They come back drunk and screaming and shouting at 3am waking more than just me up. I've asked them to be a bit quieter when coming back. They've ignored me.

And tonight, they're having pre-drinks in the floor above me. I've asked them to not play music too loud to which they replied "the speaker is banging" and "don't knock it until you've tried it". They asked me to join them and I said it isn't my thing.

If I went around accommodation shouting at 7am they would want me to be quiet, so why doesn't it work the other way around? I understand that not everyone is a morning person, so why can't they understand that not everyone is a night owl? I prefer getting a good night's sleep and having a productive day instead of sleeping all day and partying all night. There is nothing wrong with that.

We have 24 hour security available and I can call or text them if my neighbours are being too loud and I will probably have to do this tonight to make them stop.

I don't want there to be tension, I just want to have a mutual respect for them. I'm quiet in the mornings. I shut my doors quietly so they don't bang (they're fire doors so have to be heavy and they slam loudly every time). Why can't they respect that I'm different to them?

I know that calling security will cause more issues, but I'd rather have security stop the noise so I can sleep than make me stay awake for hours. On the first night of freshers I was kept awake for 3 hours as they chatted, listened to music, screamed and shouted most of the night.

What happened to mutual respect? Each to their own? I'm not going to feel pressured into drinking loads, destroying my liver and failing my course just because it's "cool".


You need to show some flexibility. Its fine their lifestyle isnt yours, but you should try and get along. Its freshers and things will clam down. What you are doing though is alienating yourself from the group. You are making things worse for yourself. You need o know when to pick your battles. Calling security will be a baaaaad move.

Maybe ask accommodation if an when, then you can move somewhere quieter.
Original post by DrawTheLine
No I haven't tried it and I don't want to. I've tried similar things and I felt very unsafe. My accommodation is far away from pretty much everything, so having a 30-45 minute journey home with drunk people in a city I've been in for a week at 3am when it's dark and cold is not my idea of a good time.

What's the worst that could happen? I could get lost in a big city in the middle of the night, be found by some creeper and potentially be assaulted or killed.

Everyone tells me to try it. No. Why don't people try having a nice night in then having a productive day the next day? Because they'll say that's boring and not fun. Well I find going out late to be "not fun". It works both ways. I prefer to feel safe and know that I'm going to get home safe.

I've had plenty of very nice nights in thank you and your fears getting lost then killed or raped or whatever is pretty unlikely to be honest if you stay in well populated areas don't your uni have a safety bus maybe see if your SU could look in to that.
Original post by 999tigger
You need to show some flexibility. Its fine their lifestyle isnt yours, but you should try and get along. Its freshers and things will clam down. What you are doing though is alienating yourself from the group. You are making things worse for yourself. You need o know when to pick your battles. Calling security will be a baaaaad move.

Maybe ask accommodation if an when, then you can move somewhere quieter.


I know I'm different from the lot and I accept that, but it won't make things better if I go out with them and spend the night obviously uncomfortable. People have been losing their purses and keys and ID cards on these nights out and that just really puts me off.

I doubt I'll call security unless in a few weeks it hasn't calmed down and on Tuesday nights they're still being loud when there's work to do and lectures to attend. I think calling security then will be less of a bad move because I won't be the only one who has to be up early for a 9am lecture.

All the accommodation is the same. All the other places have the party people who enjoy that lifestyle, so unfortunately I can't move. Also I don't have the resources to move even if I could.
Original post by DrawTheLine
I know I'm different from the lot and I accept that, but it won't make things better if I go out with them and spend the night obviously uncomfortable. People have been losing their purses and keys and ID cards on these nights out and that just really puts me off.

I doubt I'll call security unless in a few weeks it hasn't calmed down and on Tuesday nights they're still being loud when there's work to do and lectures to attend. I think calling security then will be less of a bad move because I won't be the only one who has to be up early for a 9am lecture.

All the accommodation is the same. All the other places have the party people who enjoy that lifestyle, so unfortunately I can't move. Also I don't have the resources to move even if I could.


You have a lot to learn about life and living with other people. You have some strange sheltered views about uni.

Going out for a coke with them shouldnt be the threat to your way of life as you seem to indicate. They are going to get he idea that you are anti social and an intolerant snob. That means far from being a friend they could decide you are an enemy and then you have all sorts of issues that could arise.

I get the impression you object to their lifestyle which will be very apparent to them and they will act accordingly. Do you really want to isolate yourself?

Make an effort to socialise. They will appreciate it if you just go for a drink or a meal with them. Even if you dont like it then you have at least made an effort. If you carry on like this then you will make enemies and be isolated.

Get a money belt and only take out with you what you need. If we go down the losing things avenue them youd best stay in your bedroom all the time. Its a lame excuse.
Original post by DrawTheLine
I'm just excited for different parts of it. Being away from home, exploring in daylight where I have fewer chances of getting lost and a better chance of getting home safe.

What I'm not excited for is getting drunk at home, going out at midnight to get more drunk, throwing up then trying to come home at 4am when I'm even drunker and sicker and lost in the dark and cold in a rainy city, being very vulnerable and not in control of my own actions. To some people, that seems like a fantastic time and good for them, you should do what makes you happy. But that doesn't make me happy so I'm not going to do it.


it's funny you say this because I just threw up
Original post by 999tigger
You have a lot to learn about life and living with other people. You have some strange sheltered views about uni.

Going out for a coke with them shouldnt be the threat to your way of life as you seem to indicate. They are going to get he idea that you are anti social and an intolerant snob. That means far from being a friend they could decide you are an enemy and then you have all sorts of issues that could arise.

I get the impression you object to their lifestyle which will be very apparent to them and they will act accordingly. Do you really want to isolate yourself?

Make an effort to socialise. They will appreciate it if you just go for a drink or a meal with them. Even if you dont like it then you have at least made an effort. If you carry on like this then you will make enemies and be isolated.

Get a money belt and only take out with you what you need. If we go down the losing things avenue them youd best stay in your bedroom all the time. Its a lame excuse.


If it was as simple as going out for a meal or a coke I honestly would. I don't object to their lifestyle absolutely not. It's just not the lifestyle I want to live. It's their life and they should have fun how they want to, but also I should have fun the way I want to as well. Which don't match up to their ideas of fun.

I'm regularly checking even in the middle of the day that I still have my keys and I and purse etc., so it's not just when it's late I worry about losing things. But when it's dark it's harder to see if you've accidentally dropped some money or your keys.

They start at 8pm with pre-drinks, booming music and get truly smashed by 11pm. Then they go out already drunk to a club or party where they get even drunker and then come home hours later to drink some more before passing out. As much as I want to socialise I can only imagine being peer pressured into drinking a lot.

I'd rather go out at 6pm for a meal somewhere and have a glass of wine with the meal and by home by 9pm to watch a film. That's my idea of a good night out. But sadly that's not the case for others. I don't want to force them to have a night they don't want to be involved in, so I won't force myself to do the same.

Anyway, my whole point wasn't this. My point was when they come home after a good night out, that they're a bit quieter and don't shout through the corridors. That's all. When I wake up after a good night's sleep I don't turn the lights on in the corridors and I slowly close the doors so it's quiet so I don't wake them up. It'd be nice if they did the same. They sleep during the day, I sleep at night.
TLDR.

lol at expecting uni halls to be quiet at night during freshers week though.

or any week of the year for that matter.
Original post by ChickenMadness
TLDR.

lol at expecting uni halls to be quiet at night during freshers week though.

or any week of the year for that matter.


Believe me I knew they weren't going to be quiet.
OP, do you have a condition or syndrome that's making you feel skeptical about going out at night and socialising?
Original post by Anonymous
They will? People like that just go for the drinks and not the actual course. Money wasters mhmm


No, not really. It's perfectly possible to go out and get drunk at night and still do coursework, attend lectures and revise. It's not a black and white scenario. People are able to have a social life and also study.
Original post by DrawTheLine
No I haven't tried it and I don't want to. I've tried similar things and I felt very unsafe. My accommodation is far away from pretty much everything, so having a 30-45 minute journey home with drunk people in a city I've been in for a week at 3am when it's dark and cold is not my idea of a good time.

What's the worst that could happen? I could get lost in a big city in the middle of the night, be found by some creeper and potentially be assaulted or killed.

Everyone tells me to try it. No. Why don't people try having a nice night in then having a productive day the next day? Because they'll say that's boring and not fun. Well I find going out late to be "not fun". It works both ways. I prefer to feel safe and know that I'm going to get home safe.


Loool bro you aren't gonna die cos you went out for a J20 with your flat mates. Imo you sound like one hall monitor, I can see why they aren't listening to you. If you at least try to socialise with them during the day, get to know and befriend them, then explain how you prefer to spend time they are much more likely to respect your wishes.
In regards to the not wanting to walk home alone - I was about 45 minutes away from where I was too. Someone always ensured that at least another person was with you always. Heck, I remember we went to a pub which was 5 minutes away and we all walked back together. I was in a different flat and someone walked me back and ensured I got back safely.
Original post by DrawTheLine
I'm a fresher at uni, which comes with the stereotype of going out getting wasted every night. But this isn't me. I am in my jammies at 8pm watching Netflix with a cup of tea. I hate late nights. At home I'm asleep by 10pm and I'm up and awake by 7am every morning.

I want this to carry on at uni, but others in my accommodation are of course going out getting drunk and coming home at 3am. That's completely fine they want to go out and have a good time. That's their idea of a good time, but that is my idea of a terrible time.

I'm on the ground floor and the smoking area is right outside my window. They go out and smoke and the windows are so crap I can hear every word of the conversation. I sent them a message at midnight the other day asking them to move somewhere else or talk a bit quieter because the windows don't keep noise out. I could hear them read out my message to each other after I sent it. They ignored it.

They come back drunk and screaming and shouting at 3am waking more than just me up. I've asked them to be a bit quieter when coming back. They've ignored me.

And tonight, they're having pre-drinks in the floor above me. I've asked them to not play music too loud to which they replied "the speaker is banging" and "don't knock it until you've tried it". They asked me to join them and I said it isn't my thing.

If I went around accommodation shouting at 7am they would want me to be quiet, so why doesn't it work the other way around? I understand that not everyone is a morning person, so why can't they understand that not everyone is a night owl? I prefer getting a good night's sleep and having a productive day instead of sleeping all day and partying all night. There is nothing wrong with that.

We have 24 hour security available and I can call or text them if my neighbours are being too loud and I will probably have to do this tonight to make them stop.

I don't want there to be tension, I just want to have a mutual respect for them. I'm quiet in the mornings. I shut my doors quietly so they don't bang (they're fire doors so have to be heavy and they slam loudly every time). Why can't they respect that I'm different to them?

I know that calling security will cause more issues, but I'd rather have security stop the noise so I can sleep than make me stay awake for hours. On the first night of freshers I was kept awake for 3 hours as they chatted, listened to music, screamed and shouted most of the night.

What happened to mutual respect? Each to their own? I'm not going to feel pressured into drinking loads, destroying my liver and failing my course just because it's "cool".


Are you at Hull University? Because this legit is a perfect description of the Taylor Courts Residences LOL.
Original post by DrawTheLine
I'm a fresher at uni, which comes with the stereotype of going out getting wasted every night. But this isn't me. I am in my jammies at 8pm watching Netflix with a cup of tea. I hate late nights. At home I'm asleep by 10pm and I'm up and awake by 7am every morning.

I want this to carry on at uni, but others in my accommodation are of course going out getting drunk and coming home at 3am. That's completely fine they want to go out and have a good time. That's their idea of a good time, but that is my idea of a terrible time.

I'm on the ground floor and the smoking area is right outside my window. They go out and smoke and the windows are so crap I can hear every word of the conversation. I sent them a message at midnight the other day asking them to move somewhere else or talk a bit quieter because the windows don't keep noise out. I could hear them read out my message to each other after I sent it. They ignored it.

They come back drunk and screaming and shouting at 3am waking more than just me up. I've asked them to be a bit quieter when coming back. They've ignored me.

And tonight, they're having pre-drinks in the floor above me. I've asked them to not play music too loud to which they replied "the speaker is banging" and "don't knock it until you've tried it". They asked me to join them and I said it isn't my thing.

If I went around accommodation shouting at 7am they would want me to be quiet, so why doesn't it work the other way around? I understand that not everyone is a morning person, so why can't they understand that not everyone is a night owl? I prefer getting a good night's sleep and having a productive day instead of sleeping all day and partying all night. There is nothing wrong with that.

We have 24 hour security available and I can call or text them if my neighbours are being too loud and I will probably have to do this tonight to make them stop.

I don't want there to be tension, I just want to have a mutual respect for them. I'm quiet in the mornings. I shut my doors quietly so they don't bang (they're fire doors so have to be heavy and they slam loudly every time). Why can't they respect that I'm different to them?

I know that calling security will cause more issues, but I'd rather have security stop the noise so I can sleep than make me stay awake for hours. On the first night of freshers I was kept awake for 3 hours as they chatted, listened to music, screamed and shouted most of the night.

What happened to mutual respect? Each to their own? I'm not going to feel pressured into drinking loads, destroying my liver and failing my course just because it's "cool".


I will pass on to you a quote from a uni i attended long ago, and far away! [We were seated in a large auditorium - perhaps 400 to 500 seats, nearly all full. The speaker [who was welcoming the entering Freshman class (of which i was a member) said: "Look around you. See the person in front of you, the two people on each side of you, and the person behind you. Come graduation, those people WILL NOT BE THERE!! They will have flunked out. He was right!! This was in 1962 - and it's still true today! I submit that you need somewhere else to live. I am an only child, and i am NOT used to working in a boiler factory. In order to think, i have to have quiet. I flunked out of a couple of Unis, before i fould the solution. I rented a spare room from an older retired couple. Their life style closely approximated yours [as you describe it]. They were a bit apprehensive, when i approached them about renting a room, but we settled on a two month 'trial' to see if we were compatible. It worked out fine, and i stayed with them for several years. I found that this was considerably cheaper [where i was attending uni]. I was always careful to NEVER let any of the other students find out where i was living, because i didn't want them 'dropping in' on me anytime they felt like it. I was even evasive with the school admin about my home address. I had some 'slack' on this, because i was older than the average student, so the school felt considerably less 'parential responsibility' for me. The fact that i was on the 'dean's list' every semester [an honour's list for high grades] helped my position too. My facutly course advisor asked about my addy once, and i asked him, had he noticed that i was on the dean's list. He said he certainly had, and that i was in about 10% of the student body that was. I told him that one of the reasons that i was able to maintain my position on the list, was that nobody could find me to bother me, and that when i went home to study, that is what i did!! He smiled, and said - that's a good idea! I also looked at the 'meal plan' arrangements. I could have bought a 'meal plan' - so that i could have eaten in the school cafeteria. This was somewhat cheaper than eating at the several small restaurants in the small town that the Uni was located in. The problem with the cafeteria, is that 'cliques' form, and people tend to 'hang around' when they should be studying. Then they become more and more insistent at finding out where you live - so they can 'drop in' at 2 am for an all night drinking session - when you have an exam the next day. I was at Uni to get an education, and improve my salability in the job market - NOT party!! Today, i cannot recall most of those people's names, and the ones that i can recall their names - i haven't spoken to [or emailed] in over 10 years. The one restaurant i usually ate at, was quite a walk from campus [discoursaging other students from 'dropping in'], and yet, was convenient to my 'digs', as well as those of 2 other 'serious students' and one faculty member. The four of us took to eating together many days, but kept our interaction strictly busines. One of the students failed to graduate, but the remaining two of us both graduated. The faculty member stayed on at the Uni for a few years, and then moved to another state uni. Overall, i'd say we were fairly successful. Best of luck!!
Original post by Anonymous
They will? People like that just go for the drinks and not the actual course. Money wasters mhmm


I started university much like DrawTheLine 's flatmates... drinking, staying up late etc... and I finished my degree with a first.... as did a fair few of my friends. Admittedly there were people who failed, but most of the people who dropped out were suffering from mental health issues or simply did not like the course. Ironically the first person I knew to drop out was the girl next to me in halls who did not drink/go out (very nice girl FYI), likewise in second year I lived with another girl who rarely went out, but also rarely studied and so barely passed. Don't assume you are/will do better because you don't drink, you may be in for a shock. Freshers and halls are notorious, every year the antics make national front page news - this can not be a shock.

DrawTheLine - The noise will die down I promise but it can't be killed. I'd suggest investing in some quality ear plugs, as I know from pass experiences that security will not solve the problem, only severely disintegrate your flat relations. Making it a toxic environment for everyone to live, let alone learn in. Make sure next year you live with similar minded people.
Original post by DrawTheLine
I'm a fresher at uni, which comes with the stereotype of going out getting wasted every night. But this isn't me. I am in my jammies at 8pm watching Netflix with a cup of tea. I hate late nights. At home I'm asleep by 10pm and I'm up and awake by 7am every morning.

I want this to carry on at uni, but others in my accommodation are of course going out getting drunk and coming home at 3am. That's completely fine they want to go out and have a good time. That's their idea of a good time, but that is my idea of a terrible time.

I'm on the ground floor and the smoking area is right outside my window. They go out and smoke and the windows are so crap I can hear every word of the conversation. I sent them a message at midnight the other day asking them to move somewhere else or talk a bit quieter because the windows don't keep noise out. I could hear them read out my message to each other after I sent it. They ignored it.

They come back drunk and screaming and shouting at 3am waking more than just me up. I've asked them to be a bit quieter when coming back. They've ignored me.

And tonight, they're having pre-drinks in the floor above me. I've asked them to not play music too loud to which they replied "the speaker is banging" and "don't knock it until you've tried it". They asked me to join them and I said it isn't my thing.

If I went around accommodation shouting at 7am they would want me to be quiet, so why doesn't it work the other way around? I understand that not everyone is a morning person, so why can't they understand that not everyone is a night owl? I prefer getting a good night's sleep and having a productive day instead of sleeping all day and partying all night. There is nothing wrong with that.

We have 24 hour security available and I can call or text them if my neighbours are being too loud and I will probably have to do this tonight to make them stop.

I don't want there to be tension, I just want to have a mutual respect for them. I'm quiet in the mornings. I shut my doors quietly so they don't bang (they're fire doors so have to be heavy and they slam loudly every time). Why can't they respect that I'm different to them?

I know that calling security will cause more issues, but I'd rather have security stop the noise so I can sleep than make me stay awake for hours. On the first night of freshers I was kept awake for 3 hours as they chatted, listened to music, screamed and shouted most of the night.

What happened to mutual respect? Each to their own? I'm not going to feel pressured into drinking loads, destroying my liver and failing my course just because it's "cool".




Wow if only we went to the same uni you sound like my kind of person :smile: im @ DMU atm. for my first year i was in your position and i did try going out with my flatmates one time but since we didnt click i was left on my own for a lot of the night and ended up walking back to the flat by myself and my flatmates hadnt noticed id left. So therefore i gave up on trying to connect through nights out - i preferred staying in and watching movies unfortunately i didnt meet another who shared this preferation :/ I just stayed out of their way for the rest of the year and i did gain enough respect that when they destroyed our shared living area they wouldnt make me help them clean it but it was quite a lonely first year especially because i just couldnt make friends with anyone. Id say maybe try talking to them one on one when they are maybe cooking food or just sober really you might be able to get along with them when they are alone you never know. While i gave up on joining their night outs i did try one on one talks which went better but when they were all together and drinking/smoking i felt outcasted, so one on one talks were good to establish at least an alright reputation with my other flatmates in that we could be friendly aquaintences. So id say try that you dont have to be friends with them but maybe speak to them one on one to establish some good repetoire? (dunno if i used tht word correctly)

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