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    No wonder my dad gets a heart attack whenever I mention to him that I don't mind being a cleaner or binman, the pay is absolutely shocking, I thought binmen earned around £25000 on average but turns out they barely earn £17000 a year on average which is quite shocking, that amount of money is not really enough to afford a decent and comfortable living in London, same goes for bircklayers who work really hard to build homes for us, I just don't really know why professions such as programming developers, barristers, doctors, architects etc....have high pay and don't require much effort while hard working jobs like mining are such lowly paid.
    Surely it would make sense to have it the other way round? That would mean more people will want to become bricklayers who can build homes and solve London's housing crisis.
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    (Original post by The RAR)
    programming developers, barristers, doctors, architects etc....have high pay and don't require much effort
    I think you're confusing physical exertion with general effort.
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    (Original post by Retired_Messiah)
    I think you're confusing physical exertion with general effort.
    Either way these professions don't require much energy for you to actually do that effort while hard working jobs like mining do require a lot of energy and is more likely to make you tired.
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    (Original post by The RAR)
    Either way these professions don't require much energy for you to actually do that effort while hard working jobs like mining do require a lot of energy and is more likely to make you tired.
    They need more training
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    (Original post by The RAR)
    No wonder my dad gets a heart attack whenever I mention to him that I don't mind being a cleaner or binman, the pay is absolutely shocking, I thought binmen earned around £25000 on average but turns out they barely earn £17000 a year on average which is quite shocking, that amount of money is not really enough to afford a decent and comfortable living in London, same goes for bircklayers who work really hard to build homes for us, I just don't really know why professions such as programming developers, barristers, doctors, architects etc....have high pay and don't require much effort while hard working jobs like mining are such lowly paid.
    Surely it would make sense to have it the other way round? That would mean more people will want to become bricklayers who can build homes and solve London's housing crisis.
    Physical jobs don't tend to require many skills. If almost anyone can do it, they won't pay that well.
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    (Original post by The RAR)
    No wonder my dad gets a heart attack whenever I mention to him that I don't mind being a cleaner or binman, the pay is absolutely shocking, I thought binmen earned around £25000 on average but turns out they barely earn £17000 a year on average which is quite shocking, that amount of money is not really enough to afford a decent and comfortable living in London, same goes for bircklayers who work really hard to build homes for us, I just don't really know why professions such as programming developers, barristers, doctors, architects etc....have high pay and don't require much effort while hard working jobs like mining are such lowly paid.
    Surely it would make sense to have it the other way round? That would mean more people will want to become bricklayers who can build homes and solve London's housing crisis.
    This must be a troll post.
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    (Original post by The RAR)
    Either way these professions don't require much energy for you to actually do that effort while hard working jobs like mining do require a lot of energy and is more likely to make you tired.
    There's not many jobs in mining these days...
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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    This must be a troll post.
    Me a troll with 6 gems and been here for almost 7 months?
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    (Original post by The RAR)
    Me a troll with 6 gems and been here for almost 7 months?
    Even the most learned and liked among us can momentarily lapse into insanity.

    The answer to your question has something to do with supply and demand, and specifically with something called 'added value'. I'll leave you to figure that out.
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    Be a tube or train driver. That's surprisingly well paid (starting salary for a tube driver is £49,673) but requires no real skill or effort -though it would be very dull.
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    (Original post by Compost)
    Be a tube or train driver. That's surprisingly well paid (starting salary for a tube driver is £49,673) but requires no real skill or effort required -though it would be very dull.
    I really don't think I'd cope well driving a tube train into a station at 30mph with a platform rammed with people 6 inches (or less) from the edge...
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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    Even the most learned and liked among us can momentarily lapse into insanity.

    The answer to your question has something to do with supply and demand, and specifically with something called 'added value'. I'll leave you to figure that out.
    So you are saying that there is a high demand for jobs like doctors and architects but the supply of these jobs is low?
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    I really don't think I'd cope well driving a tube train into a station at 30mph with a platform rammed with people 6 inches (or less) from the edge...
    But it's not as if going off the rails is really an option. The starting salary for a soldier is under £15,000 and we give them weapons.
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    (Original post by Compost)
    But it's not as if going off the rails is really an option. The starting salary for a soldier is under £15,000 and we give them weapons.
    That would be the pay for your standard soldier. The British Army doesn't require you to have any qualifications at all to join as a soldier. You can earn more within the Army if you have the right experience and/or qualifications. The starting salary for an Officer in the Army is around £30k but requires GCSEs and A-Levels minimum (most Officers have degrees)
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    How much someone is paid generally depends on the level of skill required to do the job since employees know that the employer can't just pick anyone, and also how much profit is being made from the work.
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    (Original post by CTLevers)
    That would be the pay for your standard soldier. The British Army doesn't require you to have any qualifications at all to join as a soldier. You can earn more within the Army if you have the right experience and/or qualifications. The starting salary for an Officer in the Army is around £30k but requires GCSEs and A-Levels minimum (most Officers have degrees)
    As I said, 'starting salary for a soldier'. I was trying to make a comparison between a tube driver - which I don't imagine requires much in the way of formal qualifications - and another job which also doesn't and where you get the chance to kill people. Though you have shown that a graduate joining a potentially dangerous profession gets paid a lot less than a tube driver which emphasises the point that I have no idea why tube drivers get paid as much as they do. (Except for the fact that they have a very powerful union)
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    (Original post by Compost)
    But it's not as if going off the rails is really an option. The starting salary for a soldier is under £15,000 and we give them weapons.
    Well, it's more the people leaning over the yellow line to do up their laces...
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    Top 10 highest-paying jobs that don't need a degree:
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-10...ities-trader-8

    Although surprisingly this doesn't include the entertainment sector (being a celeb, pop star, sports star, actor, etc.)
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    (Original post by The RAR)
    So you are saying that there is a high demand for jobs like doctors and architects but the supply of these jobs is low?
    Not exactly. I'm saying that the money/revenue that a good architect gives to a business is more than the value that a good builder adds. Hence why there's higher demand for architects. This demand manifests itself in the higher prices (i.e. salaries) that people are willing to pay in order to hire architects compared to builders.

    Independently of this, we also have the fact that the supply of architects is lower, with more entry barriers between them and the profession. These are a lengthy education (finishing high school + x many years of uni), as well as the student debt accumulated during one's degree.

    Effort/exertion don't really come into the equation directly. At best, they feature indirectly, by affecting the supply of labour (i.e. hours worked for salary X) for a particular profession. Even then, we need to be careful to distinguish between a relatively higher salary, and a salary that's high in absolute terms. Architects make X because of other considerations. If an architect's work was somehow both mentally tiring and physically tiring, he might be expected to earn X+something, because fewer people would be willing to work for X.

    The same principle applies to builders. Even with the exertion factored in, they can only expect to make circa £20k a year. If being a builder, hypothetically, used up less physical energy, one might expect the salaries to be lower (e.g. £15k pa), because more people would be willing to work in a job like that than are currently willing to do so now.
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    Jesus Christ this is why socialist teachers need to be stopped. Picking up people’s rubbish is a menial and simple task, which requires virtually no effort. You’re comparing this to the likes of doctors, architects and other intellectually skilled jobs. Architects give instructions to builders, the builders don’t do the thinking, they do the simple job of placing bits together.

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    The primary reason the wage for binmen is so low is due to the over-saturation of the job.
 
 
 
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