Quite shocked that hard labour jobs are VERY lowly paid
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Original post by The RAR
No wonder my dad gets a heart attack whenever I mention to him that I don't mind being a cleaner or binman, the pay is absolutely shocking, I thought binmen earned around £25000 on average but turns out they barely earn £17000 a year on average which is quite shocking, that amount of money is not really enough to afford a decent and comfortable living in London, same goes for bircklayers who work really hard to build homes for us, I just don't really know why professions such as programming developers, barristers, doctors, architects etc....have high pay and don't require much effort while hard working jobs like mining are such lowly paid.
Surely it would make sense to have it the other way round? That would mean more people will want to become bricklayers who can build homes and solve London's housing crisis.
Surely it would make sense to have it the other way round? That would mean more people will want to become bricklayers who can build homes and solve London's housing crisis.
The pay rates for binmen depend a lot on their unions - the ones in Birmingham earn a lot more than £17k - they are having a big strike at the moment to protect pay and conditions.
Equally I think the pay rates for bricklayers are far higher than that in London at the moment. Architects complain that brickies earn more than they do. I can find out the rates if anyone is interested.
Pay rates for manual work can be pretty low as:
- you don't need to speak much English, or have great literacy skills. A refugee doctor or phd holder may do such a job while improving their language skills and not have better alternatives.
- pretty low training time. Pretty much any fit person can do it. Its much harder to lay bricks well and at a decent rate.
Original post by Ibrahimmmm3939
you can’t expect to half arse school and then get the wage equivalent of a doctor, this isn’t a communist dystopia where there’s no incentive to thrive academically
I am not saying they need to be paid 1 million grand a year, they need to earn enough to make a decent and comfortable living, you literally sound like my dad, he says that if you do any of these jobs you failed life which I don't entirely agree with, some people were just never good at education or were unlucky enough not to get one. And bedsides, SOMEONE needs to do these jobs, if none was doing these jobs then there would be no houses or clean pavements.
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Original post by storm95
Programming doesn't require effort? Lmao you be trippin' boy. It takes the soul out of you.
Once you actually know programming it's just a walk in the park
Original post by The RAR
Once you actually know programming it's just a walk in the park
What percentage of the population could ever learn programming to an employable level? My guess is that its very low (way under 5%). Most of my colleagues can't write a formula in Excel.
Original post by JohnGreek
Yep, you're trolling. So much for your 6 gems.
In case you don't know I actually do program and still have to for my A levels, it's hard to learn it but once you actually do know how to program it does become easy, just because you don't agree with my points doesn't make me a troll. I expected better behaviour from someone who attends LSE.
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Original post by Ibrahimmmm3939
Jesus Christ this is why socialist teachers need to be stopped. Picking up people’s rubbish is a menial and simple task, which requires virtually no effort. You’re comparing this to the likes of doctors, architects and other intellectually skilled jobs. Architects give instructions to builders, the builders don’t do the thinking, they do the simple job of placing bits together.
Also,
The primary reason the wage for binmen is so low is due to the over-saturation of the job.
Also,
The primary reason the wage for binmen is so low is due to the over-saturation of the job.
architect don't make much
Original post by The RAR
No wonder my dad gets a heart attack whenever I mention to him that I don't mind being a cleaner or binman, the pay is absolutely shocking, I thought binmen earned around £25000 on average but turns out they barely earn £17000 a year on average which is quite shocking, that amount of money is not really enough to afford a decent and comfortable living in London, same goes for bircklayers who work really hard to build homes for us, I just don't really know why professions such as programming developers, barristers, doctors, architects etc....have high pay and don't require much effort while hard working jobs like mining are such lowly paid.
Surely it would make sense to have it the other way round? That would mean more people will want to become bricklayers who can build homes and solve London's housing crisis.
Surely it would make sense to have it the other way round? That would mean more people will want to become bricklayers who can build homes and solve London's housing crisis.
In today's world; Brain matters more than Brawn.
Original post by ajj2000
What percentage of the population could ever learn programming to an employable level? My guess is that its very low (way under 5%). Most of my colleagues can't write a formula in Excel.
Can't argue with that, not many people can learn how to program to an employable level.
Original post by Ibrahimmmm3939
it’s their fault for failing life ...
You haven't "failed life" if you've become a bricklayer or a builder
FFS you don't need to be an economist to work this one out.
Unskilled work is low paid because (almost) anyone can do it.
Skilled work attracts better pay because it takes years of training and experience to become competent and you can't just pluck a random person of the street to do the job.
Unskilled work is low paid because (almost) anyone can do it.
Skilled work attracts better pay because it takes years of training and experience to become competent and you can't just pluck a random person of the street to do the job.
Original post by Ibrahimmmm3939
you can’t expect to half arse school and then get the wage equivalent of a doctor, this isn’t a communist dystopia where there’s no incentive to thrive academically
Why do you equate it to academics?
you know there are plenty of avenues for lowly educated individuals to thrive financially right?
Original post by The RAR
No wonder my dad gets a heart attack whenever I mention to him that I don't mind being a cleaner or binman, the pay is absolutely shocking, I thought binmen earned around £25000 on average but turns out they barely earn £17000 a year on average which is quite shocking,
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you've probably been reading the daily mail, there's a specific issue atm in Birmingham where to be honest they've been very well paid in the past compared to other parts of the country. I worked in birmingham 20 years ago and we joked about how much the binmen were being paid back then - the rumours were that the hiring was deeply based on knowing the right people too.
IMO it's partly supply and demand and partly down to what the dominant social class thinks people *aught* to be getting paid... in the UK the middle class is socially dominant and in Australia the blue collars. Australia is comparatively generous to tradesmen with respect to the cost of living there and is quite sensitive to the possibility of imported labour suppressing blue collar wages.
Cost of living in Bulgaria is *much* lower.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Bulgaria&country2=United+Kingdom
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Bulgaria&country2=United+Kingdom
Original post by Compost
But it's not as if going off the rails is really an option. The starting salary for a soldier is under £15,000 and we give them weapons.
Recruit pay, not trained soldier pay. Also ph1 and some ph2 recruits aren't paying accomodation and food charges ( depends on how long the ph 2 is and what it consists of) ,
https://www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/Ratesofpay-Regular.pdf
Original post by Doonesbury
And the doctor?
From looking at articles on the internet (a couple of years out of date) experienced Bulgarian doctors were earning about £800 a month - recently qualified £200-300.
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