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    Rightwing populist Alternative für Deutschland has strengthened its upward trajectory in the last week before the vote, with two polls published on Friday showing the party on third place.

    If polls are accurate, the AfD is expected to garner between 60 and 85 parliamentary seats, and would become the largest opposition group in parliament if Merkel’s conservative alliance and the SPD agreed to continue their coalition.

    This would grant them special privileges.

    The AfD has been taking voters from all political parties, but especially Die Linke, which has historically been the main opposition to the centrist coalition, both parties being a much larger force in former East Germany.

    With ~30% of voters still undecided, some pollsters have warned that the AfD’s result could be even higher than 13%, referring to AfD's previous performances relative to the polls.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...cond-world-war

    This is the same party that said Germans should be proud of the Nazi soldiers, and who said refugee children should be shot at the border.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...im-its-history
    http://www.dw.com/en/afd-deputy-back...ren/a-19015194

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    Exit polls out.

    The AfD has indeed done significantly better than predicted. What is most interesting though is the return of the FDP.

    CDU/CSU result is worst since 1949, SPD result is worst since 1933.





    Think of it this way:
    CDU = Tories
    CSU = The rural conservative fringe of the Tories
    SPD = Blairite Labour
    FDP = The extremist neoliberal fringe of the Tories
    Die Linke = :love:
    Greens = between our Greens and the LibDems and Labour
    AfD = Nazism but without the left-wing economics



    Edit: They won over 20% in the east, and 40% in Saxony. WTF is with Saxony?
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    1) The refugees are not refugees. They are economic migrants, like Polish people, Romanians, Bulgarians or even Italians.

    2 ) The refugees are not Syrian.

    3 ) They are difficult to integrate.

    4 ) The German people were never asked.

    5 ) George Soros bankrolls the migration crisis.
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    (Original post by Acend1992)
    1) The refugees are not refugees. They are economic migrants, like Polish people, Romanians, Bulgarians or even Italians.
    Huh? Italians, Poles, Bulgarians, and Romanians are nomadic peoples?

    2 ) The refugees are not Syrian.

    3 ) They are difficult to integrate.

    4 ) The German people were never asked.

    5 ) George Soros bankrolls the migration crisis.
    Right, and that is why the AfD has risen so much. The only other party that is vaguely anti-refugee is Die Linke (well, and the CDU, but that is only in Bavaria), and that is now the #1 issue for Germans.
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    Since when was putting your own citizens first 'far right'? The only reason AfD exists is because the current government and political parties are not listening to the concerns of their own citizens. Then you got all the lefties moaning and crying about what horrible people the AfD are. No! the only people to blame here are the government and the mess they've created.
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    Does every party not attempt to be "populist"? Bernie Sanders was very populist, yet it's a word only used to describe right-wing parties.
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    (Original post by YaliaV)
    Does every party not attempt to be "populist"? Bernie Sanders was very populist, yet it's a word only used to describe right-wing parties.
    Merkel in particular is extremely populist; her policies chance with the polls.

    I believe both Sanders and Corbyn have been labelled populists by rather mainstream outlets; it is mainly the centre-right that acts the most populist while avoiding the label entirely.
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    We don't need Hitler to return, don't be silly.

    Bu we don't need to import terrorists and have unlimited immigration either.

    Let's find a balance.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Huh? Italians, Poles, Bulgarians, and Romanians are nomadic peoples?
    No. The point is, that Italy, Poland or Bulgaria, signed a contract which allowed their people to come to work to other Union's countries, once they joined the European Union, and even then, they were not allowed to migrate freely before certain time and certain obligations were fulfilled.
    And now hundreds of thousands of people from outside the EU are allowed to get in, even though they are mostly incompatible to European economy, and nobody even verifies their identity!
    It means that economic migrants from outside the EU, are treated with double standards, beneficial to them, only because someone couldn't see the difference between refugees and economic migrants.


    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Right, and that is why the AfD has risen so much. The only other party that is vaguely anti-refugee is Die Linke (well, and the CDU, but that is only in Bavaria), and that is now the #1 issue for Germans.
    Why do you connect a far right party with NSDAP? NSDAP was national-socialist party, it wasn't either right or left. It was a mix of nationalism with left-wing views on economy.
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    (Original post by PTMalewski)
    Why do you connect a far right party with NSDAP? NSDAP was national-socialist party, it wasn't either right or left. It was a mix of nationalism with left-wing views on economy.
    Because that is what far-right means in common usage.

    Anyway, results are out; worst result for the established parties since the establishment of the post-war republic, and even Die Linke underperformed.
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    Having just come back from Germany/Austria I saw groups of migrants sitting around begging for money off German citizens or tourists. Most were young men who looked physically fit. Not surprised that people are fed up having to deal with Merkel's decision without even being asked and voted AFD.
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    (Original post by Hachik0)
    Since when was putting your own citizens first 'far right'?
    Being pro-nazi is pretty far right... Absolutely astounding people want to pretend AfD, a party whose leader said they should have national pride in nazi soldiers, is anything but far right - they are literal nazi sympathisers.
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    What a load of ignorant, xenophobic, Islamophobic rubbish.

    (Original post by Acend1992)
    1) The refugees are not refugees. They are economic migrants, like Polish people, Romanians, Bulgarians or even Italians.

    2 ) The refugees are not Syrian.
    Wrong.

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    The conflict in Syria continues to be by far the biggest driver of migration. But the ongoing violence in Afghanistan and Iraq, abuses in Eritrea, [...], are also leading people to look for new lives elsewhere.
    (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911)

    Last summer Germany opened its arms to more than a million refugees - the vast majority from Syria and Iraq.
    (http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/...135618356.html)

    (Original post by Acend1992)
    3 ) They are difficult to integrate.
    Debatable. Because they're Muslim and don't speak German? Look at refugees from former Yugoslavia, same pre-conditions, they're integrated just fine today. But nobody said that they want to and should stay once the war/aggression is over in their home countries.

    (Original post by Acend1992)
    4 ) The German people were never asked.
    Correct - and we don't need to be asked for our democratically elected government to make the only decision that is acceptable morally and humanitarian. We're not human garbage like Brits and Americans who turn away traumatized people fleeing from war and terror, after all.

    (Original post by Acend1992)
    5 ) George Soros bankrolls the migration crisis.
    Yep, he's investing a fortune to help refugees. Fantastic man.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/20/geor...undations.html
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    (Original post by iodo345)
    Having just come back from Germany/Austria I saw groups of migrants sitting around begging for money off German citizens or tourists. Most were young men who looked physically fit.
    Do your homework. Refugees are not allowed to work in Germany until they have been granted a certain status. This can take years.

    (Original post by iodo345)
    Not surprised that people are fed up having to deal with Merkel's decision without even being asked and voted AFD.
    She made the only decision a decent human being would make and still won the election by over 10%-points. I think she'll be just fine.
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    (Original post by GenialGermanGent)
    We're not human garbage like Brits and Americans who turn away traumatized people fleeing from war and terror, after all.
    Brits and Americans aren't the ones turning away refugees. Austria, Hungary, Poland (except for Ukrainian refugees), etc. all largely closed their borders to refugees, while Italy and Greece are fine with their local fascists going around beating up the refugees who arrive.

    Just for some examples.

    Are you calling almost all of Europe 'human garbage'? Perhaps then you should be against unity with all of us deplorables - then the AfD would be your allies.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Brits and Americans aren't the ones turning away refugees. Austria, Hungary, Poland (except for Ukrainian refugees), etc. all largely closed their borders to refugees, while Italy and Greece are fine with their local fascists going around beating up the refugees who arrive.

    Just for some examples.
    It was a non-exhaustive list. And yes, the ultra right wing governments in Poland and Hungary are definitely human garbage, Austria gets off the hook because they're small and further south.

    Italy and Greece are not 'fine' with their local fascists beating up refugees. What matter is that they take them in which is more than many countries can say.

    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Are you calling almost all of Europe 'human garbage'?
    Last time I checked those countries accounted for less than 10% of Europe's population, so no.
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    (Original post by GenialGermanGent)
    Last time I checked those countries accounted for less than 10% of Europe's population, so no.
    Italy and Greece don't do anything about the fascists, and since elections draw close, the Italians have started going after the NGOs who are helping refugees, even leaving one NGO ship stranded with refugees on board. As for Greece, they even have a far-right party in the governing coalition.

    Even in Germany you have 13% support for the ultra far-right. Then in France, 35% voted for Le Pen. Then in Austria, nearly 50% for the far-right president. Even Sweden has the far-right polling around 20%. Italy, you have the Northern League around 15%, even though it only runs in the north of Italy, in addition to 5 Stars, which is polling much higher. They already have an anti-refugee mayor of Rome.

    This is much more than a mere 10% of Europe's population.
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    The SPD has said it will be the opposition party, to prevent the AfD from being it, so it will be difficult for Merkel to make a coalition, even with her pals the FDP back in play.

    Looks like a CDU+Green+FDP coalition is the most likely, but how they'll make that work, I don't know.
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    How the votes shifted:



    Looks like Schultz's meme campaign might have actually worked, given the SPD quite a few new voters.

    What is quite amusing is how most of die Linke's former voters moved to the AfD, and were replaced almost exactly by former SPD voters. East Germans moving to a platform of islamophobia I guess, while the west German (and Berlin) left has hardened.

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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Italy and Greece don't do anything about the fascists, and since elections draw close, the Italians have started going after the NGOs who are helping refugees, even leaving one NGO ship stranded with refugees on board. As for Greece, they even have a far-right party in the governing coalition.
    Please provide factual evidence of Italian and Greek security forces consistently ignoring and allowing violent attacks on refugees. That's right, you have none, of course.

    Italy's (and the EU's) crackdown on NGOs rescuing refugees from boats is very justified and necessary. These NGOs are rescuing people close to the Libyan coast, motivating more people to attempt the trip in boats that could never make it to Italy.

    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Even in Germany you have 13% support for the ultra far-right. Then in France, 35% voted for Le Pen. Then in Austria, nearly 50% for the far-right president. Even Sweden has the far-right polling around 20%. Italy, you have the Northern League around 15%, even though it only runs in the north of Italy, in addition to 5 Stars, which is polling much higher. They already have an anti-refugee mayor of Rome.

    This is much more than a mere 10% of Europe's population.
    For starters, AfD is not ultra far-right. That would be NPD, Republikaner, etc.

    I don't give a **** about the population, there have always and will always be uneducated, xenophobic idiots with no conscience - the government knows better and makes the decisions.

    Sum up the share of people voting for these right-wing parties then. Still a small minority in Europe.

    Good thing Wilders LOST the election, Le Pen LOST the election, Hofer LOST the election, May has to side with extremists to stay in power, and AfD got only 12.6% in the country that took in by far the most refugees, is politically completely isolated, and will achieve absolutely nothing in parliament apart from exposing their utter incompetence. The right just can't stop losing.
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    1- I thought the Nazis were more of a centralist group who leant slightly towards the right, just the pinacle of facism.

    2-Could someone tell me more about Die linke?
 
 
 
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