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Exit poll shows CDU loses seats but largest party. SPD also makes considerable losses. Smaller parties gain, most notably far right Alternativ fur Deutschland, which gets 13%. Discuss.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41376577
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41376577
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AfD wants to respect WW2 German soldiers and ban Islam. Seems like Nazis are back in the Reichstag lads.
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AfD wants to respect WW2 German soldiers and ban Islam. Seems like Nazis are back in the Reichstag lads.
AfD wants to respect WW2 German soldiers and ban Islam. Seems like Nazis are back in the Reichstag lads.
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If the AfD's the only party that realises how big of a threat to the West radical Isam is, they need to get themselves into power.
If the AfD's the only party that realises how big of a threat to the West radical Isam is, they need to get themselves into power.
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(Original post by JMR2017)
Exit poll shows CDU loses seats but largest party. SPD also makes considerable losses. Smaller parties gain, most notably far right Alternativ fur Deutschland, which gets 13%. Discuss.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41376577
Exit poll shows CDU loses seats but largest party. SPD also makes considerable losses. Smaller parties gain, most notably far right Alternativ fur Deutschland, which gets 13%. Discuss.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41376577
Also interesting is the fact that The CDU and FDP together are still 30 seats short of a majority meaning that either the Greens are involved or they do a confidence and supply deal with AfD (unlikely).
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AfD wants to respect WW2 German soldiers and ban Islam. Seems like Nazis are back in the Reichstag lads.
AfD wants to respect WW2 German soldiers and ban Islam. Seems like Nazis are back in the Reichstag lads.
With regards to the war i actually have some sympathy in that i think the way Germans are treated by their establishment is horrific, constantly reminded of the shame they should feel for a war not even their fathers fought. Personally i think that Germany has a lot to be proud of and they should feel pride in their country and to some degree in their history just as many in the UK feel a degree of pride in the empire. It does not mean we are going to head out educating the savages tomorrow.
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(Original post by JMR2017)
Exit poll shows CDU loses seats but largest party. SPD also makes considerable losses. Smaller parties gain, most notably far right Alternativ fur Deutschland, which gets 13%. Discuss.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41376577
Exit poll shows CDU loses seats but largest party. SPD also makes considerable losses. Smaller parties gain, most notably far right Alternativ fur Deutschland, which gets 13%. Discuss.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41376577
Merkel and the entire EU should have followed appropriate procedure in response to the original refugee crisis. Firstly, screen people. Far too many people from safe countries were let in and given asylum. Secondly, check that people from war-torn countries (Syria mainly) have already applied for asylum in the first safe country they arrived at in accordance with international law. If not, their status as a refugee is illegitimate. Thirdly, deport those who have no legal grounds to be on European soil. Fourth, start to transition to a zero tolerance policy on migrants arriving by boat (as Australia has successfully done) to disincentivise people paying people smuggler’s for risky journeys.
Instead, Merkel and the EU’s bureaucratic bodies decided this was a great opportunity to to show off faux compassion and let everyone in, even trying to demand other EU nations take people in by quota.
Merkel’s ego has jeapordised any plans she had to accelerate the EU’s federalisation. The Bundestag is more eurosceptic than before and a grand coalition with the SDP is off the table. You reap what you sow. Let this be a warning to all other politicians who want to appease liberal faux humanitarianism.
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After the results the so called 'Jamaica' unit as government consists of Die Grüne, FDP and CDU is the one government which comes into question.
It is always the same with the Germans. Whenever the Germans are frustrating with the politics in their country, they tend to vote radica-right-wing parties like AfD without to know what the intentions of this party are. -.-
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AfD wants to respect WW2 German soldiers and ban Islam. Seems like Nazis are back in the Reichstag lads.
AfD wants to respect WW2 German soldiers and ban Islam. Seems like Nazis are back in the Reichstag lads.
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Secondly, check that people from war-torn countries (Syria mainly) have already applied for asylum in the first safe country they arrived at in accordance with international law. If not, their status as a refugee is illegitimate.
Secondly, check that people from war-torn countries (Syria mainly) have already applied for asylum in the first safe country they arrived at in accordance with international law. If not, their status as a refugee is illegitimate.
Firstly, the "first safe country" rule is not one of international law, but of EU directives. As such, it is really the "first safe EU country" rule - passing through Albania or Turkey means nothing.
Secondly, the rule applies to states, not asylum seekers. Essentially, it says that the first safe EU member state reached by a refugee must process their asylum request, but any later member states reached have the option to refuse to do so. It can't alter the refugee status of an individual, as that is governed by international conventions and UNHCR, and the EU has no power to affect that.
Thirdly, the reason Merkel did not enforce the rule was that there was a wide recognition that it had not been designed for such circumstances, but for much smaller numbers of refugees. Expecting a country as small and (in EU terms) impoverished country like Greece to accomodate 1-2 million extra people was simply unrealistic and everyone knew it.
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With regards to the war i actually have some sympathy in that i think the way Germans are treated by their establishment is horrific, constantly reminded of the shame they should feel for a war not even their fathers fought. Personally i think that Germany has a lot to be proud of and they should feel pride in their country and to some degree in their history just as many in the UK feel a degree of pride in the empire. It does not mean we are going to head out educating the savages tomorrow.
With regards to the war i actually have some sympathy in that i think the way Germans are treated by their establishment is horrific, constantly reminded of the shame they should feel for a war not even their fathers fought. Personally i think that Germany has a lot to be proud of and they should feel pride in their country and to some degree in their history just as many in the UK feel a degree of pride in the empire. It does not mean we are going to head out educating the savages tomorrow.
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You're mixing up a lot of things here.
Firstly, the "first safe country" rule is not one of international law, but of EU directives. As such, it is really the "first safe EU country" rule - passing through Albania or Turkey means nothing.
Secondly, the rule applies to states, not asylum seekers. Essentially, it says that the first safe EU member state reached by a refugee must process their asylum request, but any later member states reached have the option to refuse to do so. It can't alter the refugee status of an individual, as that is governed by international conventions and UNHCR, and the EU has no power to affect that.
Thirdly, the reason Merkel did not enforce the rule was that there was a wide recognition that it had not been designed for such circumstances, but for much smaller numbers of refugees. Expecting a country as small and (in EU terms) impoverished country like Greece to accomodate 1-2 million extra people was simply unrealistic and everyone knew it.
You're mixing up a lot of things here.
Firstly, the "first safe country" rule is not one of international law, but of EU directives. As such, it is really the "first safe EU country" rule - passing through Albania or Turkey means nothing.
Secondly, the rule applies to states, not asylum seekers. Essentially, it says that the first safe EU member state reached by a refugee must process their asylum request, but any later member states reached have the option to refuse to do so. It can't alter the refugee status of an individual, as that is governed by international conventions and UNHCR, and the EU has no power to affect that.
Thirdly, the reason Merkel did not enforce the rule was that there was a wide recognition that it had not been designed for such circumstances, but for much smaller numbers of refugees. Expecting a country as small and (in EU terms) impoverished country like Greece to accomodate 1-2 million extra people was simply unrealistic and everyone knew it.
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To be fair - as much as the Nazis were wrong, for the majority of German soldiers im sure their only motivations were patriotism and a job.
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To be fair - as much as the Nazis were wrong, for the majority of German soldiers im sure their only motivations were patriotism and a job.
To be fair - as much as the Nazis were wrong, for the majority of German soldiers im sure their only motivations were patriotism and a job.
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