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    So, is this a current news forum or what? You all know my opinion already.
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    "Who would have thought they would be so Wilsonian? But he is their model for blurring their Brexit dilemma. Corbyn is a free movement, pro-migration man, but he stifles that: he is anti-single market and more or less stifles that too. The vast majority of Labour members and two-thirds of Labour voters are appalled by Brexit – but pragmatism warns the party against losing northern Brexit seats. Keir Starmer has led them cleverly along a wobbly tightrope towards near-as-damn-it-but-not-quite-yet staying in the single market and customs union, without affronting northern Brexiters. Timing is everything, even if it infuriates passionate anti-Brexiters who marched and rallied in Brighton
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    Forget Corbyn’s pitch about giving the party back to the members: an old fashioned top-down stitch-up denied delegates the chance to commit the party to free movement and the single market. Corbyn, that serial rebel, has learned that discipline is essential for any party serious about power. For a reminder, he need only glance across at how indiscipline is wrecking May’s party."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-labour-brexit

    Doing every Blairite proud *sheds tear*

    Although I don't agree it was a stitch up as members, heavily influence by momentum, voted to keep it off. So it's not exactly the same as when Blair would control it all up from above. Regardless of how the decision was made it was tactically the correct choice.

    Well they would be if Progress types and their "moderate" fellow travellers were not demanding such daft Remaniac approaches. They have become the new ideological impractical wing of the party. If they want to still Remain in the EU they need to get on board with he current muddled position Labour is taking on the EU. Be everything to all men, let the Tories own the **** fest they created, support a single market transition, see if public mood changes by 2020.
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    Damn, Peled was stupid. Whatever people may think of him, he certainly isn't a Holocaust denier, but now a stupid choice of words has reignited this whole antisemitism saga again...
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Damn, Peled was stupid. Whatever people may think of him, he certainly isn't a Holocaust denier, but now a stupid choice of words has reignited this whole antisemitism saga again...
    You'd think they would learn by now.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You'd think they would learn by now.
    Meh, Peled's not a party member, so I doubt there's much he'll have been worried about personally, and he probably assumed that as an Israeli Jew he might get away with looser language on antisemitism. But it was ****ing stupid when he knows this has been so frequently used as a bat to hit Corbyn with and on which any hint will be eagerly seized.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Meh, Peled's not a party member, so I doubt there's much he'll have been worried about personally, and he probably assumed that as an Israeli Jew he might get away with looser language on antisemitism. But it was ****ing stupid when he knows this has been so frequently used as a bat to hit Corbyn with and on which any hint will be eagerly seized.
    yeah but if you are speaking at one of those things you are going to identify with the labour left, or at least want them to be beat the Tories. Stop giving the enemy easy propaganda
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    Anything on the economic front so far? I've heard plans to increase productivity by sending more people to Uni (debt free?) and become more skilled. Benefits will go up, that too. Minimum wage up further? Deficit reduction, if any? The overseas budget, up or down? When is McDonnell on, that will command a good audience.

    Highlights so far? Apart from the usual cabaret...
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    Russian Revolution explained for millennials.


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    Hammand: Labour could crash the pound.

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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    yeah but if you are speaking at one of those things you are going to identify with the labour left, or at least want them to be beat the Tories. Stop giving the enemy easy propaganda
    Still, can't help but be repulsed by the rapidity with which the story has changed:
    - What Peled actually says was that Labour members should be able to "criticise and to discuss every issue, whether it’s the Holocaust: yes or no, Palestine, the liberation, the whole spectrum."
    - The first few reports claimed Peled said members should be able to "question the Holocaust".
    - Later this became "question whether the Holocaust happened".
    - And in the past few hours, it's gone from "Peled said Holocaust deniers should be allowed in Labour" to "Peled is a Holocaust denier".
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Hammond: Labour could crash the pound.
    They most probably would, I'm with Hammond on that. Is the point made by the chart that Brexit caused a bit of a drop in value, can't read anything into it that puts the Tories under a bad light. We'll have to wait for McDonnell for some fireworks, i get the message.

    Lenin, are you an admirer? Is he Jezza and May the Tsarina, is that the point made by the pic? We might as well talk some politics while we wait but no biting.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Still, can't help but be repulsed by the rapidity with which the story has changed:
    The media will be at it like starved creatures, at last something to write home about.
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    (Original post by zhog)
    The media will be at it like starved creatures, at last something to write home about.
    True.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Still, can't help but be repulsed by the rapidity with which the story has changed:
    - What Peled actually says was that Labour members should be able to "criticise and to discuss every issue, whether it’s the Holocaust: yes or no, Palestine, the liberation, the whole spectrum."
    - The first few reports claimed Peled said members should be able to "question the Holocaust".
    - Later this became "question whether the Holocaust happened".
    - And in the past few hours, it's gone from "Peled said Holocaust deniers should be allowed in Labour" to "Peled is a Holocaust denier".
    The Labour Party will not get many votes in Golders Green or Barnet, because of the whitewash over anti-Semitic comments not being seen to be taken seriously. Not expelling Ken Livingstone will be remembered here.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    The Labour Party will not get many votes in Golders Green or Barnet, because of the whitewash over anti-Semitic comments not being seen to be taken seriously. Not expelling Ken Livingstone will be remembered here.
    Last time out Finchley and Golders Green was a marginal, same as it's been ever since Thatcher quit. Jewish voters tended to go vast majority Tory even before Corbyn was leader.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Hammand: Labour could crash the pound.

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    I don't understand this controversy at all. I thought it was a good thing to be prepared, no?
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    (Original post by zhog)
    They most probably would, I'm with Hammond on that. Is the point made by the chart that Brexit caused a bit of a drop in value, can't read anything into it that puts the Tories under a bad light. We'll have to wait for McDonnell for some fireworks, i get the message.

    Lenin, are you an admirer? Is he Jezza and May the Tsarina, is that the point made by the pic? We might as well talk some politics while we wait but no biting.
    You're being delusional if you think that graph doesn't show a drop in the pound :rofl: It's a ****ing cliff.

    This is the problem the Tories are going to have. They are going to be proceeding over all that they fear monger about Labour. It doesn't work attacking Labour being a threat to national security when you have Policemen saying they are understaffed. Or warning about a drop in the pound when your party helped orchestrate a massive drop in the pound...

    I wish the Tories had war gamed the possibility of Brexit lol

    Mixed views, like any voilant evolution it was messy. Lennin was good at being a revolutionary no matter what you think of him. Peace and Bread worked. I generally agree with Bolehsvik position on world war 1 at the time of the revolution, along with any left Mensheviks and Socialist Revolutionaries who were aligned. General dislike of the "working class are not capable of doing anything yet until the bourgeois revolution happens" view most of the Marxists had. The Bolshevik view that the working class should play an active role in building capitalism through their Soviets etc was actually an alright idea, The State and Revolution is almost anarchist. Shame none of it really happened. The working class needs a vanguard party which meant snuffing out democracy and handing all power to the Bolshevik party.

    But from my left wing perspective the way the Bolsheviks dealt with Kronstadt rebellion and all the democratic gains made by workers, soldiers and peasants were lost is unforgivable. It went wrong before Stalin in my view. I'm not a Trotskyist. Power should have actually gone to the soviets for more than two minuets. That's my simplistic and most likely flawed take on it.

    The only people that think this is a re run of Russian revolution in England are idiots who think there are Trots hiding under their bed. It's not even comparable. There is no separate working class institution demanding to take over from parliament. No angry soldiers. Labour is a parliamentary reformist party... Militant has gone. I'm sure there are people on the left who would not be against such a thing but there are no conditions to do a revolution with. No matter what you think of it Lenninism is not practically useful unless you want to get involved with any of the left wing parties reenacting the Russian Revolution 100 years later in a totally different country -___-
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Last time out Finchley and Golders Green was a marginal, same as it's been ever since Thatcher quit. Jewish voters tended to go vast majority Tory even before Corbyn was leader.
    And there was a swing towards Labour in the last election in the Finchley and Golders Green constituency.
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    (Original post by JMR2017)
    And there was a swing towards Labour in the last election in the Finchley and Golders Green constituency.
    Yeah, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Jewish vote in particular saw a slight swing towards Labour, given Jeremy Newmark was the Labour candidate.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Yeah, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Jewish vote in particular saw a slight swing towards Labour, given Jeremy Newmark was the Labour candidate.
    Indeed. And in Chipping Barnet too, Labour saw an 11.5% increase in its share of the vote.
 
 
 
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