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What unis are good?
Do you mean you want a career in cyber security or you want to do a degree specifically in cyber security?
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Health and social care will you get there
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Do you mean you want a career in cyber security or you want to do a degree specifically in cyber security?
I want to go uni and do cyber security and i looked at loads but still confused
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I want to go uni and do cyber security and i looked at loads but still confused
So you want to do a cyber security course at uni?

Or would you be ok doing a general computer science degree and then going into a career in cyber security?
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See my post in your other thread to see if it has helped
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So you want to do a cyber security course at uni?

Or would you be ok doing a general computer science degree and then going into a career in cyber security?
thats exactly what i was trying to ask im confused on those two so if you can clear this up, to do a cyber security course at uni, you must do a computer science degree first and ONLY do cyber security at masters because this is the only possible way right?

Cyber security is only for masters ?
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In general, a background in computing in some form, obviously. Computer Science courses often have options in cyber security, and provide the breadth and depth to be able to enter the field in a meaningful way doing development work etc - rather than just sending emails reminding people to not put post-it notes with their passwords on publicly accessible computers.

You could also do a masters and/or PhD in the area which can open further possibilities, particularly in higher level aspects/more sensitive areas and R&D etc. Doing this with a CS background would probably be the best approach, rather than doing a more specific and limited undergrad course which may limit you.
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In general, a background in computing in some form, obviously. Computer Science courses often have options in cyber security, and provide the breadth and depth to be able to enter the field in a meaningful way doing development work etc - rather than just sending emails reminding people to not put post-it notes with their passwords on publicly accessible computers.

You could also do a masters and/or PhD in the area which can open further possibilities, particularly in higher level aspects/more sensitive areas and R&D etc. Doing this with a CS background would probably be the best approach, rather than doing a more specific and limited undergrad course which may limit you.
So what i should do is a computer science degree and then at masters do cyber security year correct?
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So what i should do is a computer science degree and then at masters do cyber security year correct?
That is one option, but doing CS just in itself would be suitable to begin with. A masters isn't necessary, but may be of interest if you want to learn more about the research being done in the area.
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That is one option, but doing CS just in itself would be suitable to begin with. A masters isn't necessary, but may be of interest if you want to learn more about the research being done in the area.
if computer science to begin with isnt suitable, any other routes i can take?
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thats exactly what i was trying to ask im confused on those two so if you can clear this up, to do a cyber security course at uni, you must do a computer science degree first and ONLY do cyber security at masters because this is the only possible way right?

Cyber security is only for masters ?
There are undergraduate degrees in cyber security, but it's often not the best route. These courses are mostly at low ranked unis, and they don't give you much theoretical background.

GCHQ certifies some cyber security degrees, and these are the ones you should be looking at. The complete list is here:
https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/information/...tified-degrees

Most of these are masters courses that you'd normally do after a computer science degree.

However there are two bachelors degrees certified that might be good choices. They are Warwick's cyber security course (which starts in 2018) and Royal Holloway's information security course.

Also, Southampton has what's called an integrated masters which is certified, which means you do the bachelors degree then go straight into the masters at the same university without having to apply (although you must have got good grades in the bachelors bit).

So your choices are: a computer science degree at any decent uni followed by a masters from the list,r one of the two certified undergraduate courses, or the Southampton integrated masters.
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There are undergraduate degrees in cyber security, but it's often not the best route. These courses are mostly at low ranked unis, and they don't give you much theoretical background.

GCHQ certifies some cyber security degrees, and these are the ones you should be looking at. The complete list is here:
https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/information/...tified-degrees

Most of these are masters courses that you'd normally do after a computer science degree.

However there are two bachelors degrees certified that might be good choices. They are Warwick's cyber security course (which starts in 2018) and Royal Holloway's information security course.

Also, Southampton has what's called an integrated masters which is certified, which means you do the bachelors degree then go straight into the masters at the same university without having to apply (although you must have got good grades in the bachelors bit).

So your choices are: a computer science degree at any decent uni followed by a masters from the list,r one of the two certified undergraduate courses, or the Southampton integrated masters.
Thanks, well i guess i might just do computer science degree first then a masters of cyber security.

now for the next question as this has been solved, if i get grades B-B-Distinction not including maths can i still do computer science and that of getting a B in computer science?
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if computer science to begin with isnt suitable, any other routes i can take?
Why would it not be suitable?

Fundamentally if you're interested in Cyber Security, you're going to need, and get at some point, a computing background. Something like Electronic Engineering, Computer Engineering, Software Engineering or similar would probably provide a suitable computing background. Something like IT (in Business/Organisations/Management) may be suitable but would be a weaker background, and you would probably find yourself more limited - you will fundamentally be aiming to be a developer except with a specific niche as a Cyber Security specialist.

When you say cyber security, most will presume you are referring to working in a governmental organisation or as a developer. For the latter a CS background is a must, and for a significant amount of the work for the former it would be necessary or advisable. If you're just interested in more general terms of anti-crime methods, then you may find something more generally focused on social research applicable (such as sociology or criminology). However these wouldn't even begin to qualify you to work in Cyber Security outside of generic management roles and "operational" positions.
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Thanks, well i guess i might just do computer science degree first then a masters of cyber security.

now for the next question as this has been solved, if i get grades B-B-Distinction not including maths can i still do computer science and that of getting a B in computer science?
Some courses do accept BTEC qualifications etc for CS, and some do not require Maths, and there is an overlap between these. These are usually "weaker" CS courses however, as it's necessarily a mathematical subject. While they could progress you to your end goal, they are realistically not the best option compared to doing the relevant Maths qualifications, or alternately applying to a CS with Foundation course which will cover the relevant Maths (and other topics) in the foundation year (such as at Southampton). They will normally expect some aptitude for Maths, such as at minimum a pass in GCSE Maths - better grades in that would help your application.
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Why would it not be suitable?

Fundamentally if you're interested in Cyber Security, you're going to need, and get at some point, a computing background. Something like Electronic Engineering, Computer Engineering, Software Engineering or similar would probably provide a suitable computing background. Something like IT (in Business/Organisations/Management) may be suitable but would be a weaker background, and you would probably find yourself more limited - you will fundamentally be aiming to be a developer except with a specific niche as a Cyber Security specialist.

When you say cyber security, most will presume you are referring to working in a governmental organisation or as a developer. For the latter a CS background is a must, and for a significant amount of the work for the former it would be necessary or advisable. If you're just interested in more general terms of anti-crime methods, then you may find something more generally focused on social research applicable (such as sociology or criminology). However these wouldn't even begin to qualify you to work in Cyber Security outside of generic management roles and "operational" positions.
Sorry i missread your reply thinking you said its not suitable* but overall i have decided that il do computer science degree first and then cyber security at masters as this sounds about right from what you guys have replied with and a sensible route to consider
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Is there a quick list of top unis that don't require maths for computer science?
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However these wouldn't even begin to qualify you to work in Cyber Security outside of generic management roles and "operational" positions.


what if some prolific hacker with none of those qualifications [but with proof of what he did] applies for the role

will he automatically be ruled out just because he hasn't got the right pieces of paper and letters after his name?

even though he's an expert in cyber security because he's so good at penetrating them?
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what if some prolific hacker with none of those qualifications [but with proof of what he did] applies for the role

will he automatically be ruled out just because he hasn't got the right pieces of paper and letters after his name?

even though he's an expert in cyber security because he's so good at penetrating them?
This is irrelevant to the thread which is discussing the degree most suitable for such a role.
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Is there a quick list of top unis that don't require maths for computer science?
Unless someone on here has already compiled one, not to my knowledge. However you can rule out most e.g. RG universities and similar - I'm not aware of any that has such a degree, except perhaps Exeter.
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