Can I get an A* in Maths + Further Maths ?

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dpatel21
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So these are my current UMS scores as cashed in:
Maths: C12 - 197, S1 - 94
Further Maths: FP1 - 95, D1 - 84, M1 - 84
Extra: M2 - 75

And I am gonna be doing: C34, FP2, S2, M3. Say I got over 90% in all of these A2 modules. Can I still get A* in both subjects ?

Maths should work out as I need over 180/200 in C34. But for further maths my A2 modules need to be over 90% and M2 is just 75. Will Edexcel automatically swap M1+M2 to maths and rest to Further Maths ?
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To my knowledge all exam boards will "swap" module scores to maximise your grade, with the exception that C1-4 which always only apply to the A-level Maths and not FM, iirc.
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To my knowledge all exam boards will "swap" module scores to maximise your grade, with the exception that C1-4 which always only apply to the A-level Maths and not FM, iirc.
So they can also swap AS modules that are already cashed-in ?
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The full rules can be found here.

You can "re-cash" units, which previously was free, but (formerly? you must be one of the last cohort to still have exams for these courses...) currently costs £4 per unit, and normally schools will, or at least can, re-cash your subjects once you have all your units. This will then allow them to be moved between the qualifications as necessary to maximise your grade.

Your school really should've waited until you did all your units to cash-in, but I suppose it's irrelevant with the new system now anyway.
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The full rules can be found here.

You can "re-cash" units, which previously was free, but (formerly? you must be one of the last cohort to still have exams for these courses...) currently costs £4 per unit, and normally schools will, or at least can, re-cash your subjects once you have all your units. This will then allow them to be moved between the qualifications as necessary to maximise your grade.

Your school really should've waited until you did all your units to cash-in, but I suppose it's irrelevant with the new system now anyway.
They cash-in because they need to get an AS grade from said units that can be used for predictions , university, etc.
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They cash-in because they need to get an AS grade from said units that can be used for predictions , university, etc.
I'm fairly certain they can know your exam results without "claiming" the qualification itself...but regardless, they can re-cash them without prejudice and they will be re-optimised. I imagine your school will pay a small fee for this, which they probably normally do anyway - if not this cost may be passed on to you. I'm sure you can work out how much it would be at most for £4 per unit re-cashed

You should discuss this with your schools relevant examination officials though, but the long and short of it is they can re-cash them and that will optimise your grade. You may end up retaking a module before then anyway, rendering it partially moot - I don't know
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(Original post by artful_lounger)
I'm fairly certain they can know your exam results without "claiming" the qualification itself...but regardless, they can re-cash them without prejudice and they will be re-optimised. I imagine your school will pay a small fee for this, which they probably normally do anyway - if not this cost may be passed on to you. I'm sure you can work out how much it would be at most for £4 per unit re-cashed

You should discuss this with your schools relevant examination officials though, but the long and short of it is they can re-cash them and that will optimise your grade. You may end up retaking a module before then anyway, rendering it partially moot - I don't know

Ok thanks
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Yeah to get an A* in maths you need 180/200 on c3 and 4. In fm you need 270/300 on your best 3 fm modules (any module that isn't core) with a 2 or 3 on the end. So the m2 result wont count for the A* unless you get 195 total on 2 of fp2 s2 and m3. I would say you're very likely to get an A* in maths because c3 and 4 aren't that hard but further might be a struggle. S2 is quite easy but m3 and fp2 are really hard. You might want to resit m2 as it's easier than m3, just to give yourself more chances of hitting those high marks.
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it will make your maths grade the lowest highest grade possible (lowest A*), then give the rest to further maths

taking into account the few rules that is
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Yeah to get an A* in maths you need 180/200 on c3 and 4. In fm you need 270/300 on your best 3 fm modules (any module that isn't core) with a 2 or 3 on the end. So the m2 result wont count for the A* unless you get 195 total on 2 of fp2 s2 and m3. I would say you're very likely to get an A* in maths because c3 and 4 aren't that hard but further might be a struggle. S2 is quite easy but m3 and fp2 are really hard. You might want to resit m2 as it's easier than m3, just to give yourself more chances of hitting those high marks.
Ah thanks for this. I was just worried that since I already gave M2 they might count it and discard a unit with a higher UMS. It seems though according to other responses that I can re-cash-in and then all modules will be adjusted to give highest possible grade.
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(Original post by 4nationgames)
it will make your maths grade the lowest highest grade possible (lowest A*), then give the rest to further maths

taking into account the few rules that is
Okay thanks
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It is standard practice to cash-in at the end of Year 12 (British state schools are required to) so the system takes this into account. Your school will re-cash-in all your Maths A level qualifications at the end of the course and then your applied units will be allocated in older to maximise the following (in this priority order)
  1. Maths grade
  2. FM grade
  3. Maths UMS

You need 270 from your best 2 A2 units in FM so you need to nail high UMS in all of FP2, S2 and M3 or re-sit M2 to give you a little more room for manoeuvre. Next year's timetable is out, I'd check to see when M2 will be compared to the other units you're taking before deciding your best approach.
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Your school really should've waited until you did all your units to cash-in,
I admit this isn't the case for the OP as he's an international student, but state schools are required to cash in or they lose funding so it is the normal thing to do and works fine.
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I admit this isn't the case for the OP as he's an international student, but state schools are required to cash in or they lose funding so it is the normal thing to do and works fine.
Really? I suppose that's not unsurprising for the ridiculous way the government "funds" education though :/
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Really? I suppose that's not unsurprising for the ridiculous way the government "funds" education though :/
Not unreasonably funding is dependent on a decent proportion of students at a college to complete the courses they start - the cash-in is the indication of the completion.
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Not unreasonably funding is dependent on a decent proportion of students at a college to complete the courses they start - the cash-in is the indication of the completion.
I don't really think "leaving with an AS qualification which is purely academic and so neither prepares for uni nor for the workforce" is really a useful metric to use but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that's another thread for another day I think...
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