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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Clearly didn't change the fact that you're saying it's entirely fair for the rest of the country to outvote a region on the matter of self-determination.
    Yes, the nature of being part of a country is that you make certain decisions together or decide to take them separately. That's how people self-determine in a democracy.

    Based on your logic, China can invade all of oriental Asia today, then use its own constitution to stage a "nation-wide" referendum and have everyone else outvoted.
    That's a bit like saying democracy doesn't work because I could shoot everyone else in Britain and outvote them. It would of course be a gross violation of international law to invade and annex other countries. The problem there wouldn't be how the country governs itself, it would be that its leaders had committed not only a gross violation of international norms, but also a criminal act.

    It's very rare that the colonial master will give up control, especially when there's a big difference in population. You're essentially closing off the path of a peaceful path to independence.
    Again, as has been mentioned in this thread, the same rules cannot - and are not - applied to colonial relationships. That is recognised in international law. It of course logically follows that a people like the Gibraltarians who do not have a democratic say in their governance by the UK are in entirely voluntary association with us.
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    I believe what the Spanish government did was very wrong. By sending police with rubber bullets and batons to close down "illegal" polling stations is a risky move. It's a infringement of democracy. They are silencing the people of Catalonia. This type of thing happened during the World Wars in corrupt nations - we're in 2017, Spain need to wake up. If Catalonia wants to declare independence, they should be able to do so. Any piece of land can be declared independent if it is recognized by another state; I'm sure they'll be countries willing to recognize Catalonia as the country it is. The Spanish government and hostile and reform needs to happen. The message their sending to the world is negative. This event will go down in the history books for the wrong reason and there's no doubt that it'll be explored in history and law lessons.
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    (Original post by erxci)
    I believe what the Spanish government did was very wrong. By sending police with rubber bullets and batons to close down "illegal" polling stations is a risky move.
    Not really. They'd have happily walked in wearing dress uniform and calmly removed the equipment if they had the option. In reality, of course, there was a significant chance of disorder and people actively obstructing them.

    It's a infringement of democracy.
    An unlawful parody of democracy, at best.

    If Catalonia wants to declare independence, they should be able to do so.
    Why?
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)

    Based on your logic, China can invade all of oriental Asia today, then use its own constitution to stage a "nation-wide" referendum and have everyone else outvoted.
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    This will only work base on an assumption that all citizens in china will vote the way the chinese government wants.

    If you want to apply this kind of assumptions then there is no need to vote anymore. Hillary Clinton is a huge favourite and very likely to win, just let her be the president and do away with the voting part.

    Trust is you'll never know which way the people will vote.
 
 
 
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