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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Your contribution to any thread nowadays seems to be 'left wing people are all stupid aren't they?'.
    I'd never thought of that, all i said was that left-wingers depend on misrepresenting reality to obtain a platform to stand on. That may be a clever thing to do if you get away with it but only fools tell lies that can easily be exposed. It's complicated.

    He went through several countries without settling anywhere, over here he did a few months as a correspondent for some american paper. He did have to live in other people's pockets and his thoughts on the alienating nature of work are well known as a matter of fact. Working class he sure wasn't. What 'several jobs' are you talking about?

    Actually, I don't have any animosity against the man. Everyone has to get by somehow, it's only a shame that his ideas went on to be experimented with to the point of making Ukrainians welcome the Nazis as liberators in WWII.
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    (Original post by zhog)
    I'd never thought of that, all i said was that left-wingers depend on misrepresenting reality to obtain a platform to stand on. That may be a clever thing to do if you get away with it.

    He went through several countries without settling anywhere, over here he did a few months as a correspondent for some american paper. He did have to live in other people's pockets and his thoughts on the alienating nature of work are well known as a matter of fact. Working class he sure wasn't.

    Actually, I don't have any animosity against the man. Everyone has to get by somehow, it's only a shame that his ideas went on to be experimented with to the point of making Ukrainians welcome the Nazis as liberators in WWII.
    So in other words, he had several jobs and wasn't 'work-shy'.

    It's rather ironic for you to claim someone was work-shy when they had numerous jobs...

    No one has claimed he was working class.

    As if the right do not misrepresent reality...

    When left wing people speak about the fact that public sector workers have faced a pay freeze, what part of reality are they misrepresenting?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Isn't it a bit difficult to be work-shy and at the same time be the most dangerous man in history? :teehee: He certainly wrote a lot of books for someone workshy and his Kapital is still regarded with awe by many very serious modern economists. He had his flaws and there are obvious errors in his work, but he also contributed a huge leap forwards in understanding what capitalism is, how it works and the mechanisms of economic society.
    So what was the legacy he left us, what good did Marxism lead to wherever it was experimented with? For Marx's premonition of a Kapitalist collapse, it was Marxism that proved to be ill-equipped to function in the real world. His critique of the system is indeed interesting but it's not as if he had a better alternative for it. So we still have Kapitalism (that means free-marketeering, really) and all the time and blood spent on the Marxist experiment ended up dragging those countries back with very serious repercussions. He created false expectations on people, with his theoretical vision of a social and economic model ill-suited to human nature

    Other than that, what did Marx do for the world? USSR and China, what would they look like had he never been born?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    When left wing people speak abotu the fact that public sector workers have faced a pay freeze, what part of reality are they misrepresenting?
    Do you mean the pay cap?
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      (Original post by PQ)
      https://twitter.com/ladyhaja/status/915570818876362752
      "Can I just point out that Theresa May is wearing a bracelet of Frida Kahlo, a member of the Communist party who LITERALLY DATED TROTSKY"
      ...Wait, that wasn't a photoshop?

      I don't think even Trump would make a gaffe quite like that.
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      (Original post by zhog)
      So what was the legacy he left us, what good did Marxism lead to wherever it was experimented with? For Marx's premonition of a Kapitalist collapse, it was Marxism that proved to be ill-equipped to function in the real world. His critique of the system is indeed interesting but it's not as if he had a better alternative for it. So we still have Kapitalism (that means free-marketeering, really) and all the time and blood spent on the Marxist experiment ended up dragging those countries back with very serious repercussions. He created false expectations on people, with his theoretical vision of a social and economic model ill-suited to human nature

      Other than that, what did Marx do for the world? USSR and China, what would they look like had he never been born?
      Marx was a critic of capitalism and many of his criticisms still stand strong. As he predicted, there was a big swing to the left all across the West in the 20th century.

      Indeed one could even look at how capitalism is less popular today than it has been in decades and people are starting to question whether we should replace capitalism Even pro-capitalist papers such as the Economist and Financial Times are rather concerned. Maybe Marx was on to something...

      Marx seems to be judged on what happened in China and Russia, rather than on what he actually wrote.
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      (Original post by Mathemagicien)
      ...Wait, that wasn't a photoshop?

      I don't think even Trump would make a gaffe quite like that.
      It's real :confused:

      https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson...KN3#.lpkl5x5j9


      It's one of those wtf moments that makes you think you are living in the Matrix.
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      (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
      Theresa May is about to announce price cap legislation on the utilities.
      https://www.theguardian.com/politics...b083989cb4958d

      This was previously trailed by Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn. Both times, the policy idea of price caps was dismissed as 'dangerous socialism', 'a threat to our national way of life', 'Marxist frenzy' and similar terms.

      Now it is mainstream, perhaps the right wing media will see fit to make a general apology for their previous denunciations?

      We're waiting. :bebored:
      We need to lower energy prices as a priority if we value our manufacturing and household bills. But caps may only deal with companies collaborating to rip off customers, and that could be achieved with more competition. The real issue is expensive energy sources like wind where we've paid subsidies to rich landowners instead of making use of our own oil and developing solar energy.
     
     
     
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